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    leveled up sook's Avatar
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    I've said this many times and people always give me but its about time I put it out there. The guy is mediocre at best. Has he pulled some amazing moves? Yea he has. The Harden trade was killer.

    That being said, the guy has had 4 years in the rebuilding process, coming out with one star is the least you can expect. Wait...but ...but he only got 14th pick everytime!...Who THE cares. If you don't want the 14th pick then you send the organization in the direction of obtaining a higher pick, every team has to do it.

    The guy doesn't get it, I was fed up with him right after firing Adelman which to be fair to him had a lot to do with the owner Les.

    Pros:

    Been good at picking the diamonds in the rough like Chandlar Parsons and Chase Buddinger

    Cons:

    Doesn't understand the game of basketball beyond analytics. You don't trade BOTH your 4s for a team trying to make the playoffs.

    Argument people may present.."Oh but the organization is looking further than the playoffs and developing blah blah blah." Well if thats the case then they need to have a different direction and actually obtain a good pick and plan accordingly. Rockets fans overrate and worship this guy like no other. Everytime I'll bring something up I get baraged with the Harden trade which I'll admit is great.

    And if anyone tries to put Landry/brooks/scola in there..

    Landry: CD (previous GM had scouted him)

    Brooks: Adelman watched him play in college and asked for it

    Scola: CD

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    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    ^He's allowed a lot of talent to go thru Houston like thru a Christmas goose.

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    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    I've said this many times and people always give me but its about time I put it out there. The guy is mediocre at best. Has he pulled some amazing moves? Yea he has. The Harden trade was killer.

    That being said, the guy has had 4 years in the rebuilding process, coming out with one star is the least you can expect. Wait...but ...but he only got 14th pick everytime!...Who THE cares. If you don't want the 14th pick then you send the organization in the direction of obtaining a higher pick, every team has to do it.

    The guy doesn't get it, I was fed up with him right after firing Adelman which to be fair to him had a lot to do with the owner Les.

    Pros:

    Been good at picking the diamonds in the rough like Chandlar Parsons and Chase Buddinger

    Cons:

    Doesn't understand the game of basketball beyond analytics. You don't trade BOTH your 4s for a team trying to make the playoffs.

    Argument people may present.."Oh but the organization is looking further than the playoffs and developing blah blah blah." Well if thats the case then they need to have a different direction and actually obtain a good pick and plan accordingly. Rockets fans overrate and worship this guy like no other. Everytime I'll bring something up I get baraged with the Harden trade which I'll admit is great.

    And if anyone tries to put Landry/brooks/scola in there..

    Landry: CD (previous GM had scouted him)

    Brooks: Adelman watched him play in college and asked for it

    Scola: CD
    The Simmons and Abbotts of the world suck on Morey's... cuz he validates teh analytic crowd

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    He's the Billy Beane of hoops- gets lionized by the advanced-stat dorks who care more about the method than about the actual results.

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    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    He's the Billy Beane of hoops- gets lionized by the advanced-stat dorks who care more about the method than about the actual results.
    great analogy. Not against advanced stats ... but just feel like it's overblown. Advanced stats says Lebron is one of the all-time greats ... my eyes does the same. If advanced stats tell me he is greater than Wilt, ... cant say never saw the man play. They tell me right now he is better than MJ or Kareem? I call bull- .

    But again I maintain he has the potential to pass them some day ...

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    He's the Billy Beane of hoops- gets lionized by the advanced-stat dorks who care more about the method than about the actual results.
    That comparison isn't really fair to Beane

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    You brush off the the fact that he had crappy draft slots, then say "its expected to get at least one superstar." I think he's done pretty well. For a team that had spent years trying to build around Yao only to see him end his career that way, I'm sure it was rough to deal with the rebuilding process when you have a roster meant to contend, but missing a star. He spent recent years clearing up cap space to make the moves he has made. Asik, Lin were gambles that appeared to have worked. They traded two 4's for Robinson (most potential of any of those guys traded) plus it opened up minutes for D-Mo, another 4. They had an excess of scrub power forwards they had to get rid of, and did well for themselves. They are also in position to pick up Dwight via sign and trade with Asik.

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    on instagram, str8 flexin DUNCANownsKOBE's Avatar
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    great analogy. Not against advanced stats ... but just feel like it's overblown. Advanced stats says Lebron is one of the all-time greats ... my eyes does the same. If advanced stats tell me he is greater than Wilt, ... cant say never saw the man play. They tell me right now he is better than MJ or Kareem? I call bull- .

    But again I maintain he has the potential to pass them some day ...
    Just curious, what advanced stats tell you Lebron is better than MJ?

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    leveled up sook's Avatar
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    You brush off the the fact that he had crappy draft slots, then say "its expected to get at least one superstar." I think he's done pretty well. For a team that had spent years trying to build around Yao only to see him end his career that way, I'm sure it was rough to deal with the rebuilding process when you have a roster meant to contend, but missing a star. He spent recent years clearing up cap space to make the moves he has made. Asik, Lin were gambles that appeared to have worked. They traded two 4's for Robinson (most potential of any of those guys traded) plus it opened up minutes for D-Mo, another 4. They had an excess of scrub power forwards they had to get rid of, and did well for themselves. They are also in position to pick up Dwight via sign and trade with Asik.
    I adressed all that.

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    Gotta like their team going forward. Lin/Harden/Parsons/Robinson/Asik is very young and has huge potential. Throw in their cap space and they could be a contender next year if they do well in free agency this summer. Need to start playing defence though, picking up Josh Smith and Tony Allen could be good options.

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    14th pick Patrick Patterson- Develop him and throw him away
    14th pick Marcus Morris- Traded for a 2nd rounder
    14th pick Royce White- Isn't even playing

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    14th pick Patrick Patterson- Develop him and throw him away
    14th pick Marcus Morris- Traded for a 2nd rounder
    14th pick Royce White- Isn't even playing
    Patterson was hardly thrown away, Robinson is a legit talent.

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    He's the Billy Beane of hoops- gets lionized by the advanced-stat dorks who care more about the method than about the actual results.
    Seriously? It's a miracle that the A's are even compe ive more often than not considering that hideous stadium with low attendance, their market size, and the structure of baseball, and that's all because of Billy Beane....

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    While I'll leave the debate of results-oriented versus process-oriented paradigms towards sports management for a Pounding the Rock article, Morey is heads above the treadmill GMs like John Hammond and Billy King.

    That said, unless you can snag a top 5 player through the draft, free agency, or through a trade (instigated by the player himself more often than not, elite players are typically guys who control their own destiny in terms of team) you're always gonna be boned IMO.

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    His big coup, Scola, was only made possible by Yao finding a way around the CBA

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    The mother ers just got hammered at home.

    I'll be a son-of- . me.

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    morey ain't a bad GM imho. dude has no responsibility for dishing 7'6 the lucrative 78m/5yr contract. his predecessor did the whole and dropped the team in trash, and morey has been doing his best to pay back for the previous mistakes that dawson made tbh

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    Morey has been solid with the cards he's been dealt. Not sure what the OP is complaining about exactly, the team is young and has talent + Star + direction + Cap space.

    if they would have tanked and picked the wrong guy (very possible) the OP would then be mad about bad record AND ty/bust player. (Royce White?)

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    Morey is one of the top 5 GMs in the NBA, tbh..

    He has his flaws, but he's much less harmful than the majority of the GMs in the NBA, tbh..

    Even Sam Presti, a guy that is constantly praised, has made some mistakes and needed luck..

    Morey got Houston a potential franchise player this year, and Asik has been very productive, proving most skeptics wrong, tbh..

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    But he made Rockets a very good team, with salary space to lure another top player. They have good, young core, already having true leader and top tier player. Future is brigth for them.

    Edit: They are going to pay 30mil to Lin and Asik in 2014/15.

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    But he made Rockets a very good team, with salary space to lure another top player. They have good, young core, already having true leader and top tier player. Future is brigth for them.

    Edit: They are going to pay 30mil to Lin and Asik in 2014/15.

    Seeing what Morey has done up to this point,I wouldn't laugh at the idea of him having 2 15 mil expirings to play with.

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    I've said this many times and people always give me but its about time I put it out there. The guy is mediocre at best. Has he pulled some amazing moves? Yea he has. The Harden trade was killer.

    That being said, the guy has had 4 years in the rebuilding process, coming out with one star is the least you can expect. Wait...but ...but he only got 14th pick everytime!...Who THE cares. If you don't want the 14th pick then you send the organization in the direction of obtaining a higher pick, every team has to do it.

    The guy doesn't get it, I was fed up with him right after firing Adelman which to be fair to him had a lot to do with the owner Les.
    we're coming for you Sook...we want that 7th spot...we'll get it by nook, took, book, crook or hook in sook's ass....

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    Veteran GuerillaBlack's Avatar
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    But he made Rockets a very good team, with salary space to lure another top player. They have good, young core, already having true leader and top tier player. Future is brigth for them.

    Edit: They are going to pay 30mil to Lin and Asik in 2014/15.
    Only counts as 8.3M against the cap for Lin and Asik.

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    morey is a genius indeed. rockets haven't dropped too far (#9 seed 2 or 3 years in a row) even during the time when they were rebuilding, and they're back in the playoff range now with a band of promising youths. his predecessor (dawson) dug a deep hole on this team and morey has done a perfect job filling that hole imho

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    Only counts as 8.3M against the cap for Lin and Asik.
    So this hoopshype salary tables are wrong. They counted 15mil against the cap

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