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Right now? Dwight Howard.
Howard has the potential to average 30 and 20. Only people who should be in the MVP talks are Dwight Howard or Lebron James..........MAYBE Kobe Byrant, but if LBJ or DHow don't get the award it will be a travesity.
Who's better Dwight Howard or Tim Duncan?
GP MIN/G PPG REB/G AST/G FG %
18 38.2 23.8 15.0 1.4 61.8
GP MIN/G PPG REB/G AST/G FG %
17 33.5 18.5 9.3 2.8 54.7
Right now? Dwight Howard.
Howard has the potential to average 30 and 20. Only people who should be in the MVP talks are Dwight Howard or Lebron James..........MAYBE Kobe Byrant, but if LBJ or DHow don't get the award it will be a travesity.
Last edited by E20; 12-01-2007 at 08:21 PM.
Not sure if this is true, but Howards wikipedia page says he can bench press 1200 pounds. Ughhhh I smell bull .............the maximum weight a human can bench press is 700 pounds w/o steriods, 1000lbs w/ steriods, don't if it can be done the natural way. If any more weight is added it would tear apart your deltoids/pectorals. It would probably make your lungs collapse, as well.
Hahaha, that sentence itself about his weightlifting gives away that someone vandalized the page.
Howard's numbers are better.
I don't care.
Give me Duncan over anyone in this league.
I will say that until he retires, even if he doesn't win another le. Even as he "declines" in his remaining years.
Duncan has given us 4 Championships. I do think he'll bring at least one more home before he's done. He's cemented in his legacy, on what he's done for this game in his career.
There's so much more than numbers in this game.
Duncan has played the right way his entire career. He's put team first his entire career. He's given back to his communities, both in time and money. And not just San Antonio, but St. Croix and the Carolinas.
His game is almost flawless on both ends of the court. (Forgetting FT's for the moment.) His footwork is a thing of beauty. His at ude is remarkable.
He is still who this team runs through, regardless of the elite player Parker has become and the wonder that is Manu.
For me, Duncan is more than a basketball player.
He's a role model, someone I want my kids to look up to.
He's a joy to watch, he's the reason I'm a Spurs fan.
Howard is a great player, I like watching him. But I wouldn't trade a "declining" Duncan for anyone, even a guy who will probably only get better in these next few years.
Dwight is puttin up much better numbers right now... and hes much more of a focal point on offense for the Magic. Timmy has it in cruise control... come playoff time there isnt a person on this planet who knows anything about basketball that would take Dwight Howard over a motivated play off Tim Duncan... not one.
Tim Duncan, nuff said.
So far probably Dwight by a slight margin, but only cause the Spurs D is lagging and Duncan isn't in top form on both ends. Dwight is the unquestionable best offensive and defensive player, Timmy actually shares the offensive duties almost equally with TP and Manu.
By seasons end, Duncan will be better.
With the way TP and Manu have taken their game to the next level, I would take Dwight Howard easily. Lets not kid ourselves, while Duncan is a top 10 player in the NBA, he has regressed a bit. There used to only be a few players in the league who could slow Timmy down. Now there are probably a good 8-10 guys that can limit Tim effectively. When the game is on the line, it is Manu the Spurs turn to, rather than Duncan. Dwight has emerged as the next dominant force since Shaq.
Right now I'd take TD. In the future I'd take Dwight. True Dwight is a force. But TD is all IQ/footwork and post moves. And when it comes down to where the game is on the line I'd trust TD's b-ball IQ over any other player in the league. That kind of experience you just cant teach. And Dwight still has a lot to learn.
And how much of the defense is focused on Duncan when Manu gets the ball?
The Spurs are known for their unselfish play, for finding the open man.
But don't fool yourself, as much as opposing coach's focus on keeping Parker and Manu out of the lane, they focus on Duncan just as much as they always did. He's still dangerous, he still demands double teams, especially when the game is on the line. Which is why our perimeter guys are open to win it.
As of this season, Duncan has not commanded the double teams he has in the past. I can't count how many times this season some scrub has swatted Duncan's shot. Howard, even with his foot-work in progress, has commanded more double teams. He is just too strong and quick for a single coverage. Duncan is a better at sealing off his man and passing out of double teams, but Dwight is coming along nicely in those departments. Dwight would be a better player off the ball in the Spurs system. Parker and Manu would have field days throwing the ball up and watching Dwight tear the rim down. He would do a better job of cleaning up off missed shots as well. I am in no way discrediting Tim Duncan and what he means to the Spurs. I am just saying Dwight Howard is better.
If Dwight Howard can develop an outside game ala Amare Stoudemaire, avoid injury, and keep his FT% at 68 or greater, he should be a ing monster.
Dwight Howard is playing great right now, but he's just months removed from being totally shut down by Detroit in the playoffs.
Tim, doubled or tripled >>> Dwight, doubled or tripled.
"They want to keep saying he's the best big man in the league," Carlesimo said. "He's not the best big man; he's the best young big man, and he may be the best center in the league.
"Until they bury Tim Duncan, (Howard) isn't going to be the best big man in the league."
PJ said it best. Though he could be just a wee bit biased.
Right now I'd take TD. In the future I'd take Dwight.
You won't convince me. But I respect your opinion.
I agree Howard is great. And he's got room to improve, which is scary.
But, as THE SIXTH MAN pointed out, there's a lot to be said for basketball IQ and experience.
Duncan has it all over anyone in this league.
His game has never been based on athleticism, his game is intelligent. Brilliant.
There's no one in this league I would take over Duncan.
Not now, not ever.
And yes, I freely admit to being a Duncan homer. Always have been, always will be.
There's a handful of power forwards who regularly out score or out rebound Timmy. Tim hands down. Tim has the complete package. He does everything well and he always makes his team mates better. His presence and the intangibles he brings, moreso then what shows up on the box scores are what separate Tim from the rest of the pack. Those who have been watching the Tim since he arrived in SA have seen his progression in those intangibles even though his box scores may have regressed somewhat. He's still playing at an all star level and I'd take him on my team any day. Can anyone say Amare or Garnot?
There are so many things that Duncan does that don't show up in the boxscore. Leadership, presence, as someone mentioned earlier, b-ball IQ...things that Howard can and will learn but these things take time. Howard is not there yet, but well on his way.
In response to dastrey. Um what games have you been watching this year? With the exception of Houston or Dallas who have bigs that do bother TD. Every team has thrown and been throwing TD double teams. Last night for example. T-pups had madsen on TD and would bring down their wings for the double. Quarters 1-3 it worked. But in the 4th quarter TD's experience kicked in and he did his usual quarterbacking from the post kicking it out to the open man.
Howard's abilities and powerful physique have thus drawn attention from fellow NBA All-Stars. Tim Duncan once remarked: "Howard is so developed... He has so much promise and I am glad that I will be out of the league when he is peaking." Kevin Garnett echoed those sentiments: "Howard is a freak of nature, man... I was nowhere near that physically talented. I wasn't that gifted, as far as body and physical presence."
And it was a thing of beauty to watch.
Exactly. No one is knocking Howard. Dude has tremendous up side and freakish athletic ability. But the OP asked who's better right now. And as of right now what Tim brings overall to a team whether it be intangibles, leadership, or just general presence. Tim has that now as to Dwight not being to far away from having the same quality's and the experience from a couple of battles under his belt.
Last edited by THE SIXTH MAN; 12-01-2007 at 10:52 PM.
No one is saying Howard isn't a bright prospect. One thing, though...Dwight turns 22 in a week. When Duncan was 23, he had a ring.
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