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TBH, I'd want Memphis to be in the WCF instead of OKC.I could careless about what others think.
He just mentioned on Mike and Mike that he voted Marc Gasol over Duncan for first team. There was some mention of a discussion with Bruce Bowen earlier, and I didn't hear how that went, but it sounded like Bowen gave Gasol the nod as well.
I will be rooting heavily for Memphis to get to the conference finals. I really want Duncan to dominate him.
TBH, I'd want Memphis to be in the WCF instead of OKC.
As wonderful as the rejuvenated TD has been, MG has better season numbers.
TD just dominated Dwight Howard and yet Marc Gasol is better? LOL okay.
FTG
TD: 18 points 10 rebounds 2.7 blocks 50% FG 81% FT 2.7 assists 0.7 steals 2.1 turnovers
MG: 14 points 8 rebounds 1.7 blocks 49% FG 85% FT 4.0 assists 1.0 steals 2.0 turnovers
Timmy does better in the "big man" stats, and this considering Timmy plays 30 minutes per game to Marc's 35
You mean besides the fast that Tim gets more points, rebounds, and blocks than Gasol in less minutes, shoots a higher percentage, has a higher PER, and his team had a better record?
Nope. Not even close, actually. Duncan dominates Gasol in every statistical category except for assists and FT% (and only slightly, there). In 5 fewer minutes played/game.
Tim Duncan
Season ▾ Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 2012-13 36 SAS NBA C 69 69 30.1 7.1 14.1 .502 0.0 0.1 .286 3.6 4.3 .817 1.8 8.1 9.9 2.7 0.7 2.7 2.1 1.7 17.8
Marc Gasol
The only serious case that can be made for Gasol is he played 11 more games than TD. (Though even this argument, I disagree with).
I actually think in these things one name gets "hot", and then the others just follow along. In this case Gasol is the name in the news, and nobody's checking the stats.
Ironically, Kobe is a lock for first team because of what he did "at his age", but not TD apparently.
So, like OP I'll enjoy it if Timmy gets a chance to rectify things in the WCF
Tim's good, but not great. His game is the product of the Spurs "system". Just like Tony and Manu...role players shining in an elite "system".
To be fair to the argument, there is a hint in the more advanced metrics that Gasol had a better season. Gasol was slightly better in WS/48, had a slightly better true shooting percentage, and a significantly higher offensive rating (115 to 107) despite having a considerably lower usage rate (Duncan -- 27.8; Gasol -- 19.2).
With that said, the wonks who've jumped on the Gasol bandwagon seem to defend any choice of Gasol over Duncan this season based on the fact that Gasol played 700 more minutes than Duncan; they seem to argue that it's better to be pretty good for almost 3000 minutes than to be really, really good for about 2000 minutes.
Long history of refusing to be swayed by facts or reality.
Gasol doesn't even pass the eye test over Duncan. Not sure how anyone could watch them both play and think Gasol is better.
Boutons actually said the Spurs wouldn't make the playoffs last season. We're not talking about a pre-season prediction, either; it was post ASB IIRC.
BTW, some people seem to be arguing Memphis proved they could beat San Antonio in 2011. As if broken arm Ginobili doesn't change the equation, him being healthy along with Boris Diaw and Tiago Splitter being rotation players now should skew any predictions based on 2011.
Nice to see the Phoenix Sun is still squarely imbeded up Kerr's ass.
Why all of sudden fat Gasol is NBA 1st team player ? Seriously ? 14ppg, 8prg or something ? Defensive players, good or bad doesnt belong to all NBA 1st team
Well, and there is the fact that Richard Jefferson started 6 games in that series and played almost 30 minutes per game. And there's the fact that George Hill played more than 30 minutes per night, Antonio McDyess (at 36) played almost 25 minutes per night, and Matt Bonner played more than 20 minutes per night as basically the 3rd big while shooting 33% from behind the arc. And there's the fact that the Spurs got barely 12 points per game -- combined -- from their starting 3 and 5 and not even 25 points per game combined from their starting frontcourt (Duncan 12.7; Jefferson 6.5; McDyess 5.7).
Things have certainly changed.
I still think the Grizzlies' interior length and athleticism would give the Spurs significant problems, but at least it would seem to be a fairer fight if those teams are fortunate enough to advance to meet each other.
It's all about minutes played. That's it.
Same story, no one campaigned at all for Duncan. Just like how he didn't even have a chance at DPOY. Duncan just undressed "the best center in the world" and took him to school but no one cares.
Not sure how big a factor this plays, but don't forget (former?) ESPN writer John Hollinger is now the VP of Basketball Operations for the Grizzlies and has been since December.
I think the wonks have a valid point. But I also think that he has amassed more rebounds and scored more points than Gasol despite playing almost 3,000 minutes less than Gasol.
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