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    Drinking as little as one cup of coffee a day could help protect you from liver disease caused by alcohol, according to research published today.
    People who drink one cup of coffee are 20% less likely to have alcoholic cirrhosis than those who abstain from doing so.


    And the protective effect increases with the more coffee you drink: People who drink two or three cups a day are 40% less likely to contract cirrhosis, while those who drink four or more cups are 80% less likely to suffer the disease.


    The findings, conducted by researchers at the Kasier Permanente, in Oakland, California, are thought to be the largest study to look at the inverse relationship between coffee and cirrhosis. The link was first reported by researchers at the same ins ute in 1993 but this new study - of 125,000 people over 22 years - "solidifies the association", Arthur L Klatsky, the lead author of the study, said.


    Dr Klatsky, who was involved in the earlier research, added: "Consuming coffee seems to have some protective benefits against alcoholic cirrhosis, and the more coffee a person consumes the less risk they seem to have of being hospitalised or dying of alcoholic cirrhosis. We did not see a similar protective association between coffee and non-alcoholic cirrhosis."


    The researchers, whose findings are published in the US journal Archives of Internal Medicine, followed more than 125,000 health plan members who underwent a medical examination between 1978-1985 and who, at the time, had no diagnosed liver disease. Participants filled out a questionnaire detailing how much alcohol, coffee and tea they drank daily.


    By the end of 2001, 330 participants had been diagnosed with liver disease, including 199 with alcoholic cirrhosis - caused by the consumption, each day, of three or more units of alcohol.


    Researchers - who only counted those who had been hospitalised or died because of the disease - found that the more coffee a person drank the less likely they were to develop alcoholic cirrhosis.


    Drinking tea had no effect, suggesting the ingredient that protects against cirrhosis is not caffeine.


    Blood tests conducted on the 5% of drinkers who consumed the most alcohol confirmed that coffee drinkers were less likely to have high levels of enzymes in the liver - a key indicator of liver damage.


    Dr Klatsky added: "Even allowing for statistical variation, this shows there is a clear association between coffee consumption and protection against alcoholic cirrhosis.


    "This is not a recommendation to drink coffee. Nor is it a recommendation that the way to deal with heavy alcohol consumption is to drink more coffee. And while there is very little evidence that moderate coffee drinking - say up to four cups a day - is harmful to the health, that's not the message we want to get across. There is a lot of harm caused by heavy drinking other than liver damage."


    Dr Klatsky said that if caffeine were the key protective ingredient, he would expect to have seen some protection for heavy tea drinkers.


    "We can't answer why this has happened," he said. "The value of this study is that it may offer us some clues as to the biochemical processes taking place inside liver cells that could help in finding new ways to protect the liver against injury."


    Cirrhosis, caused by thickening of the normal tissue, causes progressive damage and impaired function of the liver. There are numerous causes including viruses, obesity or genetic problems - but excess alcohol is the main culprit.


    Figures published in The Lancet this year show that Britons are drinking themselves into the grave at a sharply increasing rate. In the 1950s England and Wales had low rates of liver cirrhosis deaths - for men 3.4 per 100,000 a year and for women 2.2. By 2001 rates were 14.1 for men and 7.7 for women.


    While the US remains the world's biggest consumer of coffee - with the average American drinking 3.2 cups a day - British men now drink an average of 1.7 cups, and women 1.5 cups a day.

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    Sweet! I got it covered with my Bill Miller tea jug of coffee every morning!

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    Pre-sure there are serious coffee drinkers in The Club...

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    If you want to protect your liver, milk thistle is the simple answer. A very ancient and effective herb that is very popular to take around the world. It has been taken for years by many without any side effects and amazing results, and it's very cheap as well.

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    If you want to protect your liver, milk thistle is the simple answer. A very ancient and effective herb that is very popular to take around the world. It has been taken for years by many without any side effects and amazing results, and it's very cheap as well.
    milk thistle as in condense milk?

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    milk thistle as in condense milk?
    No, I dont think so. It's an ancient pill, its HUGE in europe. People with severe liver problems take it and their doctors are amazed at their recovery. Here's some more info, you can get a months supply for about $10-12

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_thistle

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    If you want to protect your liver, milk thistle is the simple answer. A very ancient and effective herb that is very popular to take around the world. It has been taken for years by many without any side effects and amazing results, and it's very cheap as well.
    Never heard of Milk Thistle before...CVS Website has it as cheap as 3 bucks & up to 30 bucks...Any recommendations?

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    Well chalk one up for the Irish.

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    Never heard of Milk Thistle before...CVS Website has it as cheap as 3 bucks & up to 30 bucks...Any recommendations?
    I would try something around $10-15, usually the cheaper it is the less dosage the pills and the more you have to take to be effective. Milk thistle has been used for MANY years, it's one of the few hidden gems that help increase the quality of your life like fish oil (omega 3's). Milk thistle is so effective it helps protect your liver against steroids so its a famous herb body builders take. It is also used by people who like to drink alcohol alot, eat junk food, etc.

    It's sad, with milk thistle you can drink 2x as much and without the damage. Read more about it if you are interested.

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    Never heard of Milk Thistle before...CVS Website has it as cheap as 3 bucks & up to 30 bucks...Any recommendations?
    "Two of the ten milk thistle prod- ucts were disqualified for failure to meet the Food and Drug Admin- istration’s (FDA) labeling require- ments. Additionally, one of these products had different dosing information from jar to jar, all from the same lot number.Seven of the remaining eight products did not provide the stan- dardized amount of silymarin al- though they all claimed to have 80%. Actual amounts were be- tween 47 and 67%. The only prod- uct to pass was Jarrow Formulas Milk Thistle. Although the amount of silymarin was not specified on the label, the manufacturer de- clared that the milk thistle extract contained 80% flavonoids. The actual testing confirmed that Jar- row Formulas Milk Thistle met the minimum industry standard of 70% silymarin.
    The HCV Advocate and I do not endorse particular products or treatments. However, it seemed cruel to reveal that only one in ten milk thistle products passed muster without mentioning the name of the product. However, before you run out and buy milk thistle, there are other issues."

    Source is Page 3 here: http://www.hcvadvocate.org/news/News...vocate0210.pdf
    Buy it cheap here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0013O...dir_mdp_mobile

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    The coffee thing is solid. Milk Thistle is a little more iffy - you have a bulk of studies showing that it decreases mortality and improves liver function tests in patients with alcohol related liver disease. But, when you break the analysis up into high quality studies, they show that it doesn't significantly affect mortality or liver function tests (with the exception of AST) compared to placebo.

    Anyway, the issue with dietary supplements is they're not regulated by the FDA in the same way that a drug is. They're not subject to trials proving that they're safe or effective. They don't have to be standardized, and the burden of proof in recalling is on the FDA. Anytime you deal with something that is a dietary supplement, you run t he risk of getting a misbranded or adulterated product (some have heavy metal contaminants, other drugs, etc). When you're buying something, if you see a"USP verified"claim on the bottle, that means those products have gone through an additional voluntary testing/auditing program that alleviates those issues. Those are the products to get if you want to go the natural route.

    As to what Milk Thistle product to get, most studies use the extract standardized to 70% to 80% silymarin. Thisilyn is a product that falls into that range, but that study didn't mention if it was one of the products to fall short of that mark.

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    "Two of the ten milk thistle prod- ucts were disqualified for failure to meet the Food and Drug Admin- istration’s (FDA) labeling require- ments. Additionally, one of these products had different dosing information from jar to jar, all from the same lot number.Seven of the remaining eight products did not provide the stan- dardized amount of silymarin al- though they all claimed to have 80%. Actual amounts were be- tween 47 and 67%. The only prod- uct to pass was Jarrow Formulas Milk Thistle. Although the amount of silymarin was not specified on the label, the manufacturer de- clared that the milk thistle extract contained 80% flavonoids. The actual testing confirmed that Jar- row Formulas Milk Thistle met the minimum industry standard of 70% silymarin.
    The HCV Advocate and I do not endorse particular products or treatments. However, it seemed cruel to reveal that only one in ten milk thistle products passed muster without mentioning the name of the product. However, before you run out and buy milk thistle, there are other issues."

    Source is Page 3 here: http://www.hcvadvocate.org/news/News...vocate0210.pdf
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    Yes Aaron...because when it comes to knowing if something is safe, the FDA is who I turn to. They always have the consumers best interests in their mind.

    So the article states that two out of ten milk thistle products were disqualified, this is common in all fields of agriculture and nutrition. They also recall Spinach when it has e.coli contaminate, are you suggesting spinach is bad for you?

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    Oh yeah, aarony, I forgot to mention ALL over the counter supplements are NOT approved by the FDA. Milk thistle is no different.

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    LOL...

    I've known for years that coffee helps keep the liver healthy. Now someone is implying it's OK to drink more alcohol...

    Not to rain on your parade Empty, but this is old news. And they affirm, like already stated years ago, it isn't the caffeine in coffee.

    Have a link by chance?

    Next...

    Sunbathing protects from more cancer than it causes...

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    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/13281392/n...rmful-effects/ http://m.guardiannews.com/uk/2006/ju...ohol-drinkers/ Here are a few links! Im doung a study on myself now. Got high enymes back on a test so im gonna drink the out of coffee for 6 months and take the test again. If i see no improvement then ill stop drinking. Im a moron, yes. And i like to party

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    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/13281392/n...rmful-effects/ http://m.guardiannews.com/uk/2006/ju...ohol-drinkers/ Here are a few links! Im doung a study on myself now. Got high enymes back on a test so im gonna drink the out of coffee for 6 months and take the test again. If i see no improvement then ill stop drinking. Im a moron, yes. And i like to party
    Only need a couple cups a day to get the complex natural chemicals in coffee needed.

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