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    (CNSNews.com) - The Chicago Public Schools this year are mandating that the district’s kindergarten classes include sex education, fulfilling a proposal President Barack Obama supported in 2003 when he served in the Illinois state senate and later defended when he ran for president in the 2008 election cycle.

    At a Planned Parenthood convention at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., on July 17, 2007, a teenage girl who said she worked as a sex-education “peer educator” in the D.C. public schools asked then-U.S. Sen. Obama what he would do to encourage the teaching of “medically accurate, age-appropriate, and responsible sex education.”

    Obama first noted that he had worked with Planned Parenthood to push a sex education bill when he served in the Illinois state legislature.

    Then he said: “I remember Alan Keyes—I ran against Alan Keyes—but I remember him using this in his campaign against me, saying, ‘Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergartners.

    “And you know,” said Obama, “I didn’t know what to tell him. But it is the right thing to do, to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in the schools.”

    ABCNews.com published a story about what Obama told Planned Parenthood. It carried the headline: “Sex Ed for Kindergartners ‘Right Thing to Do,’ Says Obama.”

    To explain Obama’s position further to ABC News, Obama’s campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story in the Chicago Daily Herald about a speech Obama had given at a Catholic college in Illinois. This story carried the headline: “Obama clarifies sex ed views at Benedictine.”

    "Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,” Obama is quoted as telling the children. "If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards."

    To further clarify Obama’s position on sex ed for kindergartner’s, Obama’s campaign spokesman, Bill Burton, pointed MSNBC to the “curriculum for those in kindergarten” produced by the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS). This curriculum suggested discussing same-sex relationships—in non-graphic terms--with kindergartners.

    In response to a campaign ad that Sen. John McCain later put out focusing on Obama’s support for sex education for kindergartners, SIECUS itself published an explanation of the Illinois state bill Obama had supported. SIECUS explained that the bill Obama supported did indeed extend sex education to kindergartners in Illinois. At that time, Illinois mandated sex education only for children in grades six through 12. SIECUS also said the bill would have removed all mention of “marriage” from sex education in the state’s public schools.
    wow, this is beyond ed up.

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    What are you afraid of?

    that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing.

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    What are you afraid of?
    you clearly don't have kids

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    Parents or guardians of students can opt out of the sexual health education program if they so choose.


    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/02/28/chicago-passes-sex-ed-for-kindergartners/

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    you clearly don't have kids
    What does that mean?

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    The only mention of any sex education before grade six in the bill:
    Comprehensive Health Education Program.

    The program established under this Act shall include, but not be limited to, the following major educational areas as a basis for curricula in all elementary and secondary schools in this State:....age-appropriate sexual abuse and assault awareness and prevention education in grades pre-kindergarten through 12....
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...Sess=&Session=

    And of course, any parents can opt their child out of any sex ed class.

    lol cnsnews

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    you clearly don't have kids
    No i clearly do.
    And i teach them the truth.
    Baby did not come from a stork.

    I don't want them becoming 'fraidy of hearing a different opinion.

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    No i clearly do.
    And i teach them the truth.
    Baby did not come from a stork.

    I don't want them becoming 'fraidy of hearing a different opinion.
    So no Santa?

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    Where's the part that says kinder students are required to have sexual sex ed as the OP claimed?

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    Obama is awesome. Stupid stork creators making sex as a bad thing. those conservatives.

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    What does that mean?
    How a five year old comprehends things. The idea that anything sexual needs to be taught to kindergartners.

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    No i clearly do.
    And i teach them the truth.
    Baby did not come from a stork.

    I don't want them becoming 'fraidy of hearing a different opinion.
    Good for you. How old if you don't mind me asking?

    I don't go the stork route. But I do feel at kindergarten, any questions they have about sex should be answered by me, and not in a mass group setting.

    But how would you feel if the sex ed was a faith based class? I doubt you would be as gun ho.

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    No i clearly do.
    And i teach them the truth.
    Baby did not come from a stork.

    I don't want them becoming 'fraidy of hearing a different opinion.
    The truth huh? How truthful? Do you show them your keg stand pictures. You going to pull the Mosby method and tell them all the women you've banged before you met their mother?

    IMO I think it is great that you have a relationship like that. I raise my children, that at 5 to be children. I don't tell them how many kids their age are killed or abused. I tell them there are bad people out there and what to do with strangers.

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    It's funny that so many people think that sex ed means teaching and demonstrating intercourse In this case it means giving an age appropriate answer when your kid sees a pregnant woman (or their own mother) and asks what is wrong with her. How many kindergartners have seen animals being born on Animal Planet and want to know what's going on? That is sex ed and yes, kindergartners need to be taught that because they are curious and those are the kinds of things they ask.

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    quoted myself lol

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    How a five year old comprehends things. The idea that anything sexual needs to be taught to kindergartners.
    Yeah body shaming and guilt has done wonders for children's mental health. Not educating kids about how their bodies work has also helped them a lot!

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    It's funny that so many people think that sex ed means teaching and demonstrating intercourse In this case it means giving an age appropriate answer when your kid sees a pregnant woman (or their own mother) and asks what is wrong with her. How many kindergartners have seen animals being born on Animal Planet and want to know what's going on? That is sex ed and yes, kindergartners need to be taught that because they are curious and those are the kinds of things they ask.
    It's even funnier how some people think that anyone thinks that. Although there have been groups who do teach the extreme part of sex, I don't think that would be the norm.
    Also funny is how everyone uses the coined generalized phrase 'age appropriate'. explaining to kindergartners that adults have sex to have kids is not age appropriate. If you think it's so important, than teach it to your kid, at your home. Not in a classroom.
    What is 'age appropriate' for a four to five year old?
    Last edited by spursncowboys; 08-31-2013 at 01:24 PM.

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    you clearly don't have kids
    When my then four year old daughter asked how my wife got pregnant with our first son, we told her that mommy and daddy made a baby and put it into mommy's belly because it wasn't ready yet. That when it was ready, we would go to the hospital and the doctors would help mommy get the baby out of her belly so that we could all meet him/her (we didn't find out the gender).

    That seems to be age appropriate sex ed... I don't think that the lesson plan for kindergartens is going to be "well let's pretend that Susie here is a with a vag the size of a Mack truck, over here we've got Brett the football player who can't be trusted... ."

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    When my then four year old daughter asked how my wife got pregnant with our first son, we told her that mommy and daddy made a baby and put it into mommy's belly because it wasn't ready yet. That when it was ready, we would go to the hospital and the doctors would help mommy get the baby out of her belly so that we could all meet him/her (we didn't find out the gender).

    That seems to be age appropriate sex ed... I don't think that the lesson plan for kindergartens is going to be "well let's pretend that Susie here is a with a vag the size of a Mack truck, over here we've got Brett the football player who can't be trusted... ."

    I don't either. That's pretty much how I put it.

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    It's even funnier how some people think that anyone thinks that. Although there have been groups who do teach the extreme part of sex, I don't think that would be the norm.
    Also funny is how everyone uses the coined generalized phrase 'age appropriate'. explaining to kindergartners that adults have sex to have kids is not age appropriate. If you think it's so important, than teach it to your kid, at your home. Not in a classroom.
    What is 'age appropriate' for a four to five year old?
    The program established under this Act shall include, but not be limited to, the following major educational areas as a basis for curricula in all elementary and secondary schools in this State:....age-appropriate sexual abuse and assault awareness and prevention education in grades pre-kindergarten through 12....
    I consider that to be appropriate.

    Do you?

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    It's even funnier how some people think that anyone thinks that. Although there have been groups who do teach the extreme part of sex, I doubt anyone really has a problem with that.
    Also funny is how everyone uses the coined generalized phrase 'age appropriate'. explaining to kindergartners that adults have sex to have kids is not age appropriate. If you think it's so important, than teach it to your kid, at your home. Not in a classroom.
    What is 'age appropriate' for a four to five year old?
    You are still just focused on the sexual intercourse. There is a lot to reproduction that can be explained in simple understandable terms to little kids that doesn't involve intercourse specifically. The phrase age appropriate is not generalized and if you have any knowledge in child development, you know that 5 year olds have plenty of questions about where babies come from and about their genitals; sex ed is not just about teaching the sex "act".

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    I don't either. That's pretty much how I put it.
    So then why do you think it will be put any other way?

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    You are still just focused on the sexual intercourse. There is a lot to reproduction that can be explained in simple understandable terms to little kids that doesn't involve intercourse specifically. The phrase age appropriate is not generalized and if you have any knowledge in child development, you know that 5 year olds have plenty of questions about where babies come from and about their genitals; sex ed is not just about teaching the sex "act".
    that, and teens have sex too, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. They can at least be well informed when they start doing so, and know how to do it safely.

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    So then why do you think it will be put any other way?
    What? As far as I read, you were the one assuming. Once again, what is your definition of age appropriate for a kindergartner? What exactly are they going to learn? What would you teach other people's kids if you were a kinder teacher?

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    that, and teens have sex too, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. They can at least be well informed when they start doing so, and know how to do it safely.
    a five year. That's the age of a kindergartner. Sometimes four year olds.

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