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    DENVER — It was spring break, and Levy Thamba, a 19-year-old college student from Africa, had checked into a fourth-floor hotel room with three of his buddies. They had come from their small college in Wyoming looking for an adventure.


    No one is sure how much Thamba ate of the marijuana cookie purchased by one of his friends at a local pot shop. But soon the engineering student, who had never tried marijuana before, began acting strangely hostile, tearing around the room and pulling pictures from the wall.

    Sometime in the early hours of March 11, Thamba leaped over the balcony to his death.

    Thamba died from injuries suffered in the fall, the coroner's office ruled last week, but the report made an unusual notation: The death, involving a victim with no history of mental problems or suicidal tendencies, was linked to "marijuana intoxication."

    Authorities are calling the incident the state's first marijuana-related death since Colorado legalized sales of recreational marijuana at the beginning of the year to those over 21.

    http://gazette.com/students-death-in...rticle/1517791

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    Illegal pot still a problem for Colorado

    DENVER — A 25-year-old is shot dead trying to sell marijuana the old-fashioned, illegal way. Two men from Texas set up a warehouse to grow more than they would ever need. And three people buying pot in a grocery store parking lot are robbed at gunpoint.


    While marijuana is now legal for growers and licensed sellers in Colorado, crime problems persist. Not every town in the state has a licensed market and corner dealers can still sell tax-free drugs.

    While no one expected the state’s first-in-the-nation recreational sales would eliminate the need for dangerous underground sales overnight, the violence has raised concerns among police, prosecutors and pot advocates that a black market for marijuana is alive and well in Colorado.

    “It has done nothing more than enhance the opportunity for the black market,” said Lt. Mark Comte of the Colorado Springs police vice and narcotics unit. “If you can get it tax-free on the corner, you’re going to get it on the corner.”

    It’s difficult to measure whether there has been an increase in pot-related crimes beyond anecdotal reports because no one at either the federal or state levels is keeping track of the numbers of killings, robberies and other crimes linked directly to marijuana.

    Pot advocates say the state is in a transition period, and while pot-related crimes will continue, they will begin to decline as more stores open and prices of legal marijuana go down.

    “It’s just a transition period,” activist Brian Vicente said. “Marijuana was illegal for the last 80 years in our state, and there are some remnants of that still around. Certainly, much like alcohol, over time these underground dealers will fade away.”

    Sales are due to begin in June in Washington, where authorities will be watching for similar cases.

    “There’s going to be a black market here,” said Cmdr. Pat Slack of the Snohomish Regional Drug/Gang Task Force, which covers an area outside Seattle. “There will be drug rip-offs and drug debts that haven’t been paid. All of that is going to stay.”

    Under Colorado’s voter-approved law, it is legal to possess up to an ounce of marijuana. Authorities are concerned that means illegal dealers and buyers believe they can avoid prosecution. These dealers and their customers also tend to be targets, if robbers know they are flush with cash.

    Arapahoe County, outside Denver, has seen “a growing number of drug rips and outright burglaries and robberies of people who have large amounts of marijuana or cash on them,” said District Attorney George Brauchler.

    His district has seen at least three homicides linked to pot in recent months and a rising number of robberies and home invasions.

    Among them was a February case in which a 17-year-old boy said he accidentally shot and killed his girlfriend while robbing a man who had come to purchase weed.

    Elsewhere, prosecutors say, Nathaniel Tallman, 25, was killed during a January drug deal when he was robbed and shot, and his body dumped in Wyoming.

    The next month, a dealer mugged three people who were trying to buy marijuana from him in a Denver grocery store parking lot.

    Such deals are the exception, said Vicente. The “average customer” prefers to buy in a well-lit, regulated store, he said, citing the roughly $2 million Colorado made in marijuana taxes in January alone.

    Whether dangerous or not, it can still be cheaper to buy pot from a drug dealer.

    Voters who approved recreational sales in Colorado also agreed to a 12.9 percent state sales tax and a 15 percent excise tax on it.

    Local jurisdictions can also add their own taxes. Medical marijuana is taxed, too, but at a much lower rate -- a 2.9 percent sales tax.

    Those taxes mean an ounce of pot can go for $400 or more at a state-sanctioned store, depending on quality and potency. An ounce on the street can run between $200 and $280, depending on how much a dealer wants to profit, Comte said.

    If some Colorado drug dealers have lost business to legal retailers, some also have made up for it by transporting weed to other states.

    A Lakewood man was arrested in March after postal inspectors intercepted a package he was mailing containing a pound of pot. Drug task force officers who later searched his home found scores of gallon-sized bags of marijuana and 76 plants.

    http://www.pressherald.com/news/nati..._Colorado.html

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    "Student's death in Colorado raises questions on marijuana and health"


    no, it doesn't


    but

    16K dead per year via prescription drugs, esp hillbilly heroin, "raises questions on prescription drugs and health"

    and 1000s more maimed or dead with OTC drugs.

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    "Student's death in Colorado raises questions on marijuana and health"


    no, it doesn't


    but

    16K dead per year via prescription drugs, esp hillbilly heroin, "raises questions on prescription drugs and health"

    and 1000s more maimed or dead with OTC drugs.
    Do you have a take on the two issues the articles discuss? Big Pharma wasn't one of them.

    Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency marijuana ingestibles? I think yes. Unlike smoking pot, ingesting it doesn't give you immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. By the time you figure out you're way too ed up it's too late.

    Has Colorado made a mistake by viewing legalization as a cash cow and taxing the out of pot? Continuing demand in the black market.

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    CO has legalized and taxed the out of alcohol, and students binge themselves to death on it. and snakeboy has nothing to say.


    http://compelledtoact.com/Tragic_lis...ng_victims.htm

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    CO has legalized and taxed the out of alcohol, and students binge themselves to death on it. and snakeboy has nothing to say.


    http://compelledtoact.com/Tragic_lis...ng_victims.htm
    You could have just said no.

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    several 100 families have moved to CO to obtain mj for their kids

    people are stupid, esp college kids who to college to party and get a ty degree, and $30K in debt. people die from overdosing on water.

    this one death should, as the French say ironically, "encouragez les autres", encourge the others to Get Smart, esp the assholes who make tasty, hi potency candy.

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    several 100 families have moved to CO to obtain mj for their kids

    people are stupid, esp college kids who to college to party and get a ty degree, and $30K in debt. people die from overdosing on water.

    this one death should, as the French say ironically, "encouragez les autres", encourge the others to Get Smart, esp the assholes who make tasty, hi potency candy.
    All irrelevant points. Colorado is the model by which legalization will be judged. If they are not smart about how they implement/regulate legalization it will defeat any further legalization efforts permanently. Dead kids and continued marijuana related crimes will provide perfect fodder for those who oppose legalization.

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    All irrelevant points. Colorado is the model by which legalization will be judged. If they are not smart about how they implement/regulate legalization it will defeat any further legalization efforts permanently. Dead kids and continued marijuana related crimes will provide perfect fodder for those who oppose legalization.
    one death by stupid student doesn't stop widepread ACCEPTANCE of medical mj, and somewhat less widespread acceptance of decriminalization.

    yes, garbage like Fox and all the Christian tele-evangelists and Christian hustler organizations will blow this up. I expect Santorum to say mj causes man-on-dog sex.

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    Edibles are no joke. I've got a bunch of cookies sitting in my fridge that I really don't think will be eaten.

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    Do you have a take on the two issues the articles discuss? Big Pharma wasn't one of them.

    Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency marijuana ingestibles? I think yes. Unlike smoking pot, ingesting it doesn't give you immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. By the time you figure out you're way too ed up it's too late.
    How many deaths in the history of ingestibles overall?

    Is it comparable to alcohol related deaths?

    Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency alcohol ingestibles?

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    For the record, I'm all for mj legalization, and I've never bothered smoking it. But the argument that "well other legal drugs have killed" is weak. Two wrongs don't make a right. Argue the issue on-hand

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    How many deaths in the history of ingestibles overall?
    Read the article.

    Is it comparable to alcohol related deaths?

    Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency alcohol ingestibles?
    The legal status of alcohol is not in question. Alcohol content is regulated. Ingesting alcohol gives immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. If you chug a quart of vodka you don't have to wait 30 minutes to know if you've drank too much.

    All of which make the alcohol comparison irrelevant to the topic. Topic is marijuana, specifically edibles.

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    Concentrated marijuana under review in Colorado

    DENVER — When people buy marijuana from a store in Colorado, the ounce they can walk out the door with is fairly easy to measure. Not so when the pot is in concentrated form, perhaps baked into a cookie or brownie.

    The state could soon address that issue with a bill pending in the House.

    “An ounce of concentrate is a significant amount — it’s probably close to about 10 times the amount that you would have in an ounce of the flowers,” said Democratic Rep. Jonathan Singer, who is co-sponsoring a bill that directs the state Department of Revenue to determine how much concentrated pot is equal to an ounce of leafy pot.

    To put the difference between flower marijuana and concentrated pot in further context, Singer noted that “an ounce of concentrate would last most medical marijuana patients probably pretty close to a year.”

    Colorado currently allows adults older than 21 to possess an ounce of marijuana for recreational use, but the legalization amendment that voters approved in 2012 makes no distinction between leafy green pot flowers or highly concentrated hash oil used to make pot-infused edibles.

    Washington state, the only other state with legal recreational pot, already has limits of less than an ounce for hash oil, 16 ounces of pot food, and 72 fluid ounces of weed drinks.

    Colorado’s marijuana industry agrees there should be equivalency standards,and sent a letter a couple of weeks ago to the revenue department requesting as much. But Mike Elliott, executive director of the Marijuana Industry Group, said it will be a complicated process and that it’s unclear right now what the equivalency standards should be.

    “It’s kind of like asking a question that doesn’t have an answer,” he said.

    Singer’s bill comes amid isolated reports of children eating cookies or brownies containing concentrated hash oil.

    Just last month, a Wyoming college student visiting Denver on spring break jumped to his death after eating a marijuana cookie. There was no indication how strong the cookie was, but the death stoked fears that concentrated marijuana products can be used to create large amounts of edible pot.

    With the bill, Singer said lawmakers are also trying to stop the potential for people to illegally move pot out of state.

    “The best way to have marijuana leave the state if I was a bad actor, if someone’s a bad actor in this, is they wouldn’t take the flowers out, or the bud out, they would take the concentrate out,” he said.

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    For the record, I'm all for mj legalization, and I've never bothered smoking it. But the argument that "well other legal drugs have killed" is weak. Two wrongs don't make a right. Argue the issue on-hand
    I'm for it as well. Anyone who has done both knows that alcohol and marijuana are two entirely different animals and will need very different regulation.

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    Read the article.



    The legal status of alcohol is not in question. Alcohol content is regulated. Ingesting alcohol gives immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. If you chug a quart of vodka you don't have to wait 30 minutes to know if you've drank too much.

    All of which make the alcohol comparison irrelevant to the topic. Topic is marijuana, specifically edibles.
    if you're buzzing from the quart of vodka, how are you able to determine that you need to stop drinking?

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    if you're buzzing from the quart of vodka, how are you able to determine that you need to stop drinking?
    Try chugging a quart and let us know.

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    Do you have a take on the two issues the articles discuss? Big Pharma wasn't one of them.

    Has Colorado made a mistake by allowing the sale of high potency marijuana ingestibles? I think yes. Unlike smoking pot, ingesting it doesn't give you immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. By the time you figure out you're way too ed up it's too late.

    Has Colorado made a mistake by viewing legalization as a cash cow and taxing the out of pot? Continuing demand in the black market.
    AFAIK, this is actually true. But people can OD on lots of things that can be bought over the counter. Tylenol, for example.

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    For the record, I'm all for mj legalization, and I've never bothered smoking it. But the argument that "well other legal drugs have killed" is weak. Two wrongs don't make a right. Argue the issue on-hand
    Its not about making a right - its about pointing out that you can't help people who do stupid things and don't follow proper directions.

    In other words, you can't save an idiot from himself.

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    AFAIK, this is actually true. But people can OD on lots of things that can be bought over the counter. Tylenol, for example.
    The amount of acetaminophen in Tylenol is regulated. Would anyone support acetaminophen brownies being sold with no regulation of how much acetaminophen was in that brownie.

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    Its not about making a right - its about pointing out that you can't help people who do stupid things and don't follow proper directions.

    In other words, you can't save an idiot from himself.
    When did you become a libertarian?

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    Read the article.



    The legal status of alcohol is not in question. Alcohol content is regulated. Ingesting alcohol gives immediate feedback as to how much you have consumed. If you chug a quart of vodka you don't have to wait 30 minutes to know if you've drank too much.

    All of which make the alcohol comparison irrelevant to the topic. Topic is marijuana, specifically edibles.
    Actually substance abuse in general is a portion of the topic and the relative harm is very much a subject. The relative number of health problems associated with the drug is important. Just ignoring its relative impact so you can hand wave over some kid being stupid is what is asinine.

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    Alcohol is by far the most widespread drug problem. Broken people, broken jobs, broken families. It's a massive socially acceptable mess.

    Lets go stomp the microbrew...

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    The amount of acetaminophen in Tylenol is regulated. Would anyone support acetaminophen brownies being sold with no regulation of how much acetaminophen was in that brownie.
    Sure, in a tablet/capsul or whatever. But what about in a bottle?

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    Its not about making a right - its about pointing out that you can't help people who do stupid things and don't follow proper directions.

    In other words, you can't save an idiot from himself.
    I know. I was trying to draw that out of Croutons

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