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    Did a search and didn't see this posted anywhere...

    Great reminder of just how good "5-0" really was compared to his peers. That '95 series vs Hakeem may have stained his resume, but his advanced stats place him ahead of the other great centers of the 90's.


    One of the more encouraging effects of the advanced-metric movement is the added nuance that can be added to basketball debates that were often settled by a basic count of championship rings — and still are, on some ESPN debate shows.

    Of course, playoff performances will always matter more — to some, a lot more — when evaluating players from the same era. The pitfall of that approach, however, is that we sometimes focus on one moment more than the body of work.

    Case in point: David Robinson. Sure, Robinson won an MVP award in 1994-95. Yes, the league named him one of the 50 greatest players ever. He also won a couple of rings later in his career with the San Antonio Spurs, thanks in large part to some guy named Tim Duncan.

    But when Robinson’s name comes up, especially in the context of the hierarchy of NBA centers, the first topic often is one specific series: the 1995 Western Conference finals. Robinson’s Spurs took on Hakeem Olajuwon’s Houston Rockets in a matchup that quickly became an entrenched moment in NBA folklore. It also became the defining chapter in Robinson’s biography.


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    Mr MVP No.50 mkurts's Avatar
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    No doubt. The Admiral is a top 5 center in NBA history at the very least and the underrating only comes from animals who don't know any better

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    david robinson was otherworldly from a sheer statistical standpoint. fantasy basketball was around during his day he'd arguably be picked ahead of MJ in most drafts

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    Of course he is...

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    Even "Spurs fans" underrate David, which is sad. He was a ing beast. Watching his prime in person was fantastic. Top 5 C for sure.

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    I think David is a true role model for kids and young adults to look upon.


    Nikki, and justin bieber bull , even Joan Rivers degraded women.

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    That '95 series vs Hakeem may have stained his resume, but his advanced stats place him ahead of the other great centers of the 90's.
    It sucks that DRob takes the blame for Bob Hills ty defensive coaching in that series. The upside of that series is it led to Pop firing Hill and the rest is history. With a decent coach, that year would have been #1.

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    Even "Spurs fans" underrate David, which is sad. He was a ing beast. Watching his prime in person was fantastic. Top 5 C for sure.
    This...

    Not to mention Dave put his ego aside and allowed Duncan to blossom as the team's No. 1 option...

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    Jabar
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    It sucks that DRob takes the blame for Rodman's cheating off Robert Horry so he could go 17-40 from three point range.
    Alteration submitted for your approval.

    History has shown that Hakeem's teammates were far better than Robinson's were. And other than that playoff series, David dominated Hakeem head-to-head. Spurs teams from that era just weren't built for the playoffs, but that wasn't really David's fault.

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    I've never once under-rated Robinson. He was unfreakin believable both offensively an defensively. It's safe to say no big man in todays NBA would stand a chance against prime Admiral.

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    He's definitely underrated by most fans from both a historical standpoint and a peak standpoint..the series vs. Olajuwon is what he's remembered for by many people, unfortunately..

    Robinson has actually benefited greatly from the progression of advanced metrics, as he ranks very favourably in the basketball analytics world..as it continues to expand, Robinson's status with fans/new media will improve, tbh..

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    Don't get me wrong: I love the Admiral and he probably was the player that made me a Spurs fan (and the first i got a jersey from).

    Not 100% sure about top5 as Russel, Kareem and Wilt are ahead of him on any list and Shaq/Hakeem have more hardware (as THE MAN on the team) to show for.

    There can be an argument about Shaq and Hakeem regarding David, but most things point to The Admiral beeing the superior regular season player, while not matching this in the playoffs.

    That said: 6th best center at least, which is fantastic and it's a tragedy that he is somewhat remembered as a loser, at least from fans of other teams that only think of his series vs. Hakeem (which Rodman's up was a major part of).

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    Robinson was like a mix between Howard and what people hope Anthony Davis will become. I am too young to have really watch him play in his prime, but the highlights and old games I've seen were amazing. There's no big in the league today that comes close, although every once in a while, Blake Griffin will show a similar flash. It sucks that most of his career was essentially wasted on poor rosters.

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    1995 - Hakeem 35p/12.5r
    2005 - Amare 37p/9.8r

    People don't remember Amare's outburst because our defenders actually STAYED on their shooters, unlike Rodman in 1995.

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    DRob is the reason I'm a Spurs fan. Beast!

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    David was great, but not top 5. Definitely top 10. This isn't a knock on DRob, but he was by far a better athlete than he was a basketball player.

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    Still amazes me we have had two of the classiest guys ever in the NBA, David and Tim.

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    ...a.k.a. mAtT!iC3 mudyez's Avatar
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    Where would you rank him vs. Karl Malone and Sir Charles? I'd think they are on about the same level but at this point those two championships matter even while not beeing the main guy.

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    Where would you rank him vs. Karl Malone and Sir Charles? I'd think they are on about the same level but at this point those two championships matter even while not beeing the main guy.
    David is a center, and they're PFs.

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    Robinson was like a mix between Howard and what people hope Anthony Davis will become.
    I have always thought of Davis as a lite version of David. E.g., guard skills, great shotblocking, agile feet, of course nowhere near the athlete David was.

    It sucks that most of his career was essentially wasted on poor rosters.
    Blame Red McCombs. He was too cheap to get in on the Barkley sweepstakes and then wouldn't pay Strickland in 92. Losing Strickland for nothing was such a death blow to Prime DRob's le hopes. They had one of the great young teams in the league back in 1990, but losing an all-star level point guard for nothing hurt bigtime, and they never really recovered from that until drafting Parker in 01. Then that piece of McCombs almost traded Robinson to New York for Ewing in a salary dump (no way Ewing was going to re-sign in San Antonio). Vinny Del Negro was McCombs' legacy he left the Spurs franchise. That got was supposed to replace Strickland.
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    Regarding Barkley, it was Terry mings and Willie Anderson for Charles Barkley. AFAIK, both teams agreed to it but Red McCombs vetoed the trade because he didn't want to pay Barkley.
    ing cheap ass McCombs. Guy is a billionaire and wouldn't pay to put a good team on the floor meanwhile Holt, worth only $80 million, has stepped to the plate over and over to sign star players. Just like Drossos did in the 80s with Mike Mitc and Artis Gilmore. Unbelievable that BJ's net worth dwarfs Holt, Drossos and yet he couldn't put the money together to build a winner.

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Could you imagine a Spurs starting lineup of

    PG Rod Strickland
    SG Dale Ellis
    SF Sean Elliott
    PF Charles Barkley
    C David Robinson

    with Antoine Carr and JR Reid off the bench?

    Thanks Red.

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    David is a model of how a man leads his life. All us guys can learn from him

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    Would have loved to see Robinson go against Gilmore with both in their prime. Artis is truly one of the most under rated centers of all time (prime time spent in ABA), but the most under rated Spurs center by Spur fans apecifically is Swen Nater.

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