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Knicks IMO, since you have two unconscious chuckers in Melo and JR Smith
Knicks or Lakers, tbh?..
Knicks IMO, since you have two unconscious chuckers in Melo and JR Smith
Mike Breen: "this has turned into isolation ball"..
Lakers and it's not even close.
The Lakers Will Play Terrible Basketball, On Purpose
10/15/14 10:56am
Byron Scott gave an interview last week following the Lakers' first preseason game; it went largely ignored, because preseason is stupid and no one cares. But with the Lakers looking like one of the more con uous disasters going so far—without any plans of tanking, bear in mind—let's take a quick look at just how well the Lakers have turned their terrible plans into terrible basketball.Here's Scott in the LA Times a week ago:
Though D'Antoni liked his team's high volume of three-point attempts (24.8 a game at a 38.1% clip), Scott was happy the Lakers had only 10 attempts (making five) on Monday in their preseason opener against the Denver Nuggets.First of all, that's nuts. Last year, only the Grizzlies took fewer than 15 threes a game (14 per game) and that's only because a) the Grizzlies have Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol and play a post-heavy style that results in the slowest pace in the league, and b) no one on the Grizzlies could throw a basketball into a black hole from 24 feet, let alone an NBA-regulation hoop.
"Our game plan is really to get to that basket," said Scott after practice Tuesday. "I like the fact that we only shot 10 threes. If we shoot between 10 and 15, I think that's a good mixture of getting to that basket and shooting threes.
"I don't want us to be coming down, forcing up a bunch of threes. I really want us to attack the basket."
At this point, the only real argument about the efficacy of the three is at the other extreme, where the concern is more about whether or not anyone actually wants to watch James Harden shoot 28 of them a game. In the real world, the top five offenses last year were, in order, the Clippers, Heat, Mavericks, Rockets, and Blazers. They shot 24, 22.3, 22.9, 26.6, and 25.3 threes per game, respectively, all in the top half of the league. The only team in the top 10 in three point attempts to have a losing record was the Timberwolves, but Minnesota had a weird ing season last year.
But in three games this preseason, the Lakers have taken a total of 24 threes, by far the fewest in the league (including several teams who have played two games instead of three). You probably shouldn't expect the team to shoot eight threes per game in the regular season, but that number is absurd—Steph Curry shot 7.9 of them per game on his own last year. Just look at these shot charts!
So the Lakers aren't so much "getting to the rim" as they are "missing a ton of midrange jumpers and never getting free throws." Put another way:
The other hitch in the gameplan is just as baffling. In the Lakers' first pre-season game, they out-fouled the Nuggets 34-27, and had half as many free throws (44 to 22). LA won the game, but afterward, Scott said this:
"The aggressiveness is one thing I want us to keep our mind on," said Scott.Basketball has not worked like this for, literally, 10 years. Last season, Chicago, San Antonio, and Charlotte ranked 2nd, 4th, and 6th in defensive efficiency, and 4th, 3rd, and 1st in fewest fouls committed. The other top defensive teams—Indiana, Golden State, OKC (1st, 3rd, 5th)—drift a little further down in fouling; Indiana is in the middle of the pack, and the Thunder and Warriors are both in the bottom third. Thing is, those three teams start Roy Hibbert, Andrew Bogut, and Serge Ibaka—mistake-erasing rim protectors that embolden perimeter defenders to take chances. The Lakers will start Jordan Hill at center this year.
"I think for the first three or four preseason games, teams are going to average shooting 37 free throws against us — because that's how I want us to play," he continued. "Once we get that established, the referees around the league will know that we're going to play a physical brand of basketball and some of those things will go away."
So, this will be fun. The Lakers are trying to be good with Carlos Boozer and Steve Nash at the top of the depth chart, their best player returning to play after two serious injuries, and their coach, who is a whinnying ass even under calmer skies and will absolutely pull some back in my day we won with elbows and grit before the year's out, has come up with a gameplan so outdated it makes his decaying roster seem fresh by comparison. Kobe's gonna his .
Knicks...
lakers tbh.
triangle is a combination of ball-movement and isolation plays. Its just the knicks are still in the process of learning it.
Lakers cant even learn anything. Its basically Kobe fadeaways, or Lin pnrs.
Current Spurs
They don't even try to move the ball anymore
Their announcers have discussed it throughout the games, too, about Knicks players abandoning the triangle..
JR Smith pisses me off... just can't watch him play anymore... just obscenely chucks the most inane shots from anywhere with 15+ seconds on the clock, then doesn't even try to run back...
Who have a combined usage rate that's still below KoMe.
Carmelo was actually doing a pretty good job of moving the ball earlier, tbh, but it's tough to keep the same style going when you're losing games..
yup, in fact I have been watching alot of their games this season even though I dun like them just for the triangle offense because I run a variation of triangle for my team.
They don't even try to move the ball anymore
Their announcers have discussed it throughout the games, too, about Knicks players abandoning the triangle..
In fact, "Melo 20-foot jab steps" is part of the triangle offense. It is the 2-man game option away from the triangle formed at the side. After setting up the triangle, the wing passes it back to the guard at the top, and the guard passes it to the post(melo), then they do a blind pig, while Melo can isolate with good spacing and off-ball movement at the weak side(the triangle, they were supposed to do a off-ball screen there).
The problem is that they are still in the process, and have only learnt a few options in the triangle offense, one being the melo isolations.
I have watched the games and they run triangle 100% of their possessions in the half court. Its just that the options that come out of it are limited because they do not know all the variations. Other than shaq, almost non of the announcers know how to run the triangle..
Edit: I didnt watch today's game vs the Hawks, but from what I see at nba.com highlights, the melo isos 20foot jumpers has been exactly what I said. Triangle set up, pass back to guard away from triangle, guard passes to melo(who comes up from mid to high post to receive the ball), guard does a blind pig, in the triangle, the forward down screens for the guard, and melo can choose to pass to the guard coming off the screen, give and go with the guard who did the blind pig, or post up.
Last edited by hyhy; 11-11-2014 at 09:15 AM.
Lakers, no contest.
Bryant plays basketball like he's playing tennis. Singles, not doubles. Nobody other than Laker fans can stand to watch that chucking idiot play. Seriously...how many fadeaway jumpers can one guy shoot in one game? 37, maybe?
Exactly. And his fadeaways are contested. He tried to copy Jordan, but Jordan shoots his fadeaways nearer to the basket, and are mostly uncontested after he shakes off the defender. Kobe's fadeaways are 1 step inside the 3point line
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