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i don't care if my players are "true" anything. i just want them to be good. is tim duncan a "true" power forward, or his he a PF/C?
With the emergence of multi-threat shoot first point guards like TP, Steph Curry, Lowry and Westchuck what we used to think of as a "true point guard" is arguably becoming a thing of the past. Chris Paul might be the only really good although declining true point guard left. That said,who are your top 5 "true point guards" in the league as of today?
i don't care if my players are "true" anything. i just want them to be good. is tim duncan a "true" power forward, or his he a PF/C?
Everybody's game nowadays is some sort of hybrid nowadays. There really isn't a plethora of traditional or true PG's in the league, if you're looking for the John Stockton, Kidd, Isiah Thomas breeds.
Frazier, Magic, Penny weren't your true PG's but they all existed before. CP3 is the best obviously. I don't see anyone out there playing this role down to a T anymore. And the players who usually does aren't really that great (Conley, maybe Teague)
Vazquez, Calderon, Rondo?
John Wall,,,,its amazing that everyone brings up Chris Paul but Wall is averaging the same amount of points/assists/rebounds but yet people overlook Wall all the time. The kid is the real deal and nowhere near his prime yet.
Thomas was never a true pg.
He was in the archibald iverson ilk.
inefficient and overrated imho. his game is just too wild and based off monkeyball to ever win anything meaningful.
I like Conley. Id trade Enrique for him in a heartbeat tbh.
2 rebounds away from a triple double today but you are right,,, his shooting needs big improvement but that will come over time. Again,,,he's only 24 and the best is yet to come barring injury.
Tbh I think Isiah was a true PG. There were PGs like the Glove and others who had other talents but still distributed the ball in the traditional sense, running their teams like a QB, but it has become a lost art where top PGs are getting around 6-7 assists per game (still decent but not what you'd consider traditional elite PG distribution). Without considering Paul who is a current player, I think Jason Kidd was the last truly great true PG. Stockton is of course the blueprint for the term itself.
Thomas was a pure PG and one of the best to play the position.
You've obviously never seen him play.
I have seen him play. I don't know how you can compare Isiah to Iverson's though. That idea is longer than Mr. Fantastic's reach.
He's not as much of a scorer as iverson, but both are score first PGs who relies greatly on their speed and athleticism.
He's not the same, but the same ilk. Tim Hardaway and Kevin Johnson are in the same family of PGs.
Thomas is a shoot first PG?,,,,,LMAO. He has over 9,000 assists in 13 years in the NBA. Iverson has over 5k in a longer period. And check Johnson and Hardaway,,,both are at about 7k.,,,do you even watch basketball?
Cp3 and Rondo when healthy.
Not many true PG's anymore though. All hybrid/scorings PG's now.
Speed, yes. Athleticism, maybe. Score first? Doubtful.
Thomas averaged double figures in APG in 4 straight seasons with a career high of 13.9 in one year. Iverson never came close to that. Thomas career FGA was 16, Iverson was 21.8.
Thomas was definitely not a shoot first PG like Iverson, he had 2-3 seasons where the Pistons relied more on his scoring but overall he was a point guard in it's truest sense in his era (responsible for getting his team into its offense, making sure all of the players are aware of their roles on the floor, and, above all, creating scoring opportunities for both the players around him, and himself—in that order. )
Who cares if they are true or not? What is true anyway?
Tiny archibald led the league in assists as well. Doesn't make him a pass first PG.
Overall, right now IMO:
1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Paul
(can rank them in any order)
4. Lowry
5. Conley
6. Lillard
7. Irving
8. Wall
9. Parker
10. Williams
Pretty much though if healthy and when it matters, Westbrook is the best.
Jesus.
Yeah...John Wall averages same amount off assists. Problem is he averages more than twice as many turnovers as Chris Paul. In terms of shooting, Chris Paul blows Wall away.
Paul's shooting 56% from two. John wall is at 45%.
Paul's shooting 45% from three. John wall is at 32%.
Pauls TS% is 64% (ridiculous). Wall is at 51%.
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players...48&season=2014
The only thing Wall does better is getting to the free throw line. In every other way Paul is significantly better than Wall (an every other freaking point guard in the league).
You just hate being wrong don't ya, Arm? Bringing up an obscure Tiny to try and prove a point about Thomas when you were clinging to Iverson,,,you go down swingin' even though you are wrong most of the time,,,,Tiny played 13 years like Thomas but only had 6k assists,,,Thomas had 9k,,,try again, Arm,,,I'll wait,,,,
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