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He's the greatest already in my book
If he wins another MVP, regardless of what the broncos do in the playoffs, is he then the greatest qb of all time?
He's the greatest already in my book
Montana is always my favorite but I think Manning is very close to being the greatest. I've never seen a QB command the game like him. Going to the Broncos, he's proven that no matter what team he's on or who is his coach, he'll still get it done. Not that Broncos are a bad team, they're talented, but for Manning to be playing this well in a totally new environment and system is amazing.
I still have Montana & Brady over Manning. However what he has done with the Broncos is amazing.
they were a play off team with tim tebow..
I don't understand how someone with a 9-10 postseason record and only 1 Superbowl win can even be in the conversation of "greatest". Is Manning great? Of course. Is he the GOAT?
If you think that a .473 winning percentage in games that matter qualifies you to be the "Greatest QB of All Time", then I guess you can agree that Manning fits the bill. I don't. For me, greatness is measured by postseason success and championships.
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The fact that Manning consistently had those Colts teams in contention is a testament to his greatness. His teams consistently had AWFUL defenses (that occasionally put up misleading defensive stats, thanks heavily to Peyton manufacturing points so easily), and the one year that their defense was actually just decent, they won a superbowl.
He had a few poor playoff games (as does everyone, even Brady and Montana), but certainly more good ones than bad ones. The reason why Brady and Montana was able to win games even on bad days? Their defenses carried them. But if Peyton had a bad day? It was a guaranteed loss because they relied on him entirely too much. Imagine if the Patriots defense was as bad as the Colts were all these years. Does Brady have those three rings? All you have to do is look at the last two Superbowls they lost. Their defense was crap, and the team relied too much on Brady. When you rely that much on a QB, you are asking for trouble.
FWIW, I think Manning and Brady are 1a/1b as the greatest QBs ever. I personally would take Manning, although I fully understand why someone would take Brady. I think they are pretty much a deadlock though. Together, they revolutionized the QB position, and perhaps football in general. We should really appreciate what we have seen, as I feel it will be remembered as the "Magic/Bird" rivalry of football.
Can make a very real case for Otto Graham who won...10....NFL Championships and was by far the greatest QB ever in his era and before, not even debatable at all.
In my opininon it's Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Brett Favre and Peyton Manning, Manning will replace Favre soon. We cannot ignore Favres longevity at the top and his amazing stats.
Montana had it all, the total package and a winner as is Brady. Manning has to win more than one SB to be put on their level.
Your opinion doesn't matter, stay the out of my thread.
I agree that Manning/Brady will be similar to Bird/Magic discussions in history. They both have a few stories left to tell, though.
Elway is still number one in my book....his stats aren't as intimidating, but dude was a beast all the time.
The top 10 in my opinion
1.Joe Montana
2.Tom Brady
3.Peyton Manning....he's going to surpass Favre
4.Brett Favre
5.John Elway
6.Dan Marino
7.Drew Brees
8.Otto Graham
9.John Unitas
10.FranTarkenton
But Brady has been pretty dominant in the rivalry.
No one gives a , get out of the thread.
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No he didn't! Where do you come up with this stuff? Graham won 3 NFL championships and lost 3 NFL championships. Prior to that he played in the AAFC and he won 4 league championships there.
There have been better quarterbacks statistically, but in my experience no one was scarier than Elway in the last two minutes of a game. Physically he was capable of anything, and he just loved the big moments. He tormented the Browns back in the day, but you had to respect him because he was such a gamer.
Thing about Manning and Montana, though, is that they make it look so easy. When they're on it's as if they're playing Madden on rookie mode.
Is Brady a system QB tho? We all saw what the great Matt Cassel did in that offense
Brady has also had a great offensive line, he gets so much time back there.
I agree with the 1a/1b statement tho. I was too young to see Montana play
Miss the playoffs with a stacked team?
They won 11 or 12 games IIRC and cassell put up some nice numbers I think. I'll have to check later
When you're in your early 30's, more and more often, someone will say something that makes you start to realize that you're getting old.....This was one of those times for me.
Conversing with someone that was too young to have watched Montana is ing weird to me.
I just turned 19 last week lol
It will happen to you too. It blew my mind last week when Bo Jackson turned 50. I remember when the dude just came into the league.
Brady usually also had the better team in the rivalry, much like Magic generally "dominated" their rivalry, but he usually had the better team.
Bird>Magic imo
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