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'99** was not legit.
**denotes 50-game season.
Already by far the best player of his era, where would a 6th put Duncan in relation to the all time legit greats?
You'd get a ton of Duncan vs Jordan media comparisons.
It would put more distance between he and Shaq as far as career.
Dirk and Gasol had a nice run but only for a few years, Finals wise.
Also would further Ginobilis distance over Kirby Bryant as best sidekick of era. Also put GNob in the discussion with Pippen as best sidekick all time.
Altho his choke of 6 and earlier foul on Dork in 2006 are major subtractors.
It's gonna be tough, but if the Spurs can get healthy and their coach can return to 90% of how he coached last year.......6th is possible.
'99** was not legit.
**denotes 50-game season.
Duncan would not get the Jordan comparison because of how Jordan dominated during his 6 championships run. It was not only a statistically dominating 6 runs, but they were back-to-back-to-back two times. The last two Spurs les found the Finals MVP with a Duncan teammate. And in the midst of Pop turning over the focus of the Spurs offense to the perimeter guys and three point shooting, while Duncan has still been vitally important to the team's success, there is at least the perception that Duncan was more of a secondary player on offense. A 6th le would require not only Duncan winning the Finals MVP but also return to the 23+ ppg scorer he was earlier on in his career, which is unlikely considering how the current Spurs offense is built. And even then, I don't think he gets a Jordan comparison. He's already in the conversation as one of the greatest winners in NBA history. But when you also factor individual dominance to go along with those championships, I don't think Duncan can get involved with Jordan.
Right or wrong, Parker and Kawhi taking home those FMVPs have limited the opportunity for Duncan to get involved in such a Jordan comparison.
I think Duncan and Shaq are close personally, with Duncan obviously having more consistent and sustained success and Shaq with more dominating le runs (and more dominating career in their early years and prime years). Both have 3 FMVPs. A 6th overall le probably does help Duncan edge Shaq.
Duncan was never gonna approach Jordan. Not since it was clear that he had no interest in propping himself up nor building his own brand.
He's already had the best career post-MJ and is the best player of his generation. Another ring and a Finals MVP cements him as a Top 5 player of all time, not many would be able to argue that tbh.
- Tim would need 8 les to approach Jordan
- There are still a-lot of NBA fans and mainstream media who put Kobe on even level if not above Duncan
- A 7th le would solidify Duncan above Kobe and like OP said, leave Shaq in the dust
- Agreed, Top 5
These are Frizzle/Great got/Avante-caliber takes
The only reason Duncan with six rings wouldn't be in the mainstream conversation with DK is because Duncan isn't a media/marketing like DK was. Duncan already surpassed Kirby on April 25, 1976.
No. Duncan has had multiple Finals series where he didn't exactly dominate.These are Frizzle/Great got/Avante-caliber takes
The only reason Duncan with six rings wouldn't be in the mainstream conversation with DK is because Duncan isn't a media/marketing like DK was. Duncan already surpassed Kirby on April 25, 1976.
Let's see: ringing in three different decades, ringing in the era of ball movement and actual defensive schemes, dragging a lottery team to a ring by himself in '03... seems pretty dominant to me. And Duncan never got to take a couple years off in his prime after getting caught betting on games, either.
Which is why he is Top 5. Kobe and Shaq did 3-peat, Duncan hasn't even Repeated.
This ERA of basketball sucks. Which bigs did he battle? Shaq, Garnett, Dirk, Gasol and Webber? Major step down from the guys Hakeem was battling in the 80s-90s
05 Finals, shot 41% against Detroit.
07 Finals, shot 44% against Varejo and Big Z
14 Finals, Kawhi was the best player
Again, multiple finals.
Duncan has already been the best player on championship teams in 3 different eras of basketball..
-The ty, hideous, snail-paced ball of the 90s
- The transitioning basketball of the mid/late 2000s
- The super-advanced, team-oriented, analytic ball of 2014 that changed the way basketball is played
No other player can say that, tbh..rankings from mainstream fans and mainstream media is irrelevant, of course..
A 6th championship wouldn't change much..once you reach a certain number of rings, it's all largely similar and grouped together..
Shaq and Dirk are worse than Robinson and Ewing?
Duncans tolerance of BadPops moron strategies (2006 and 2008) have indeed cost him repeat chances twice.
No intelligents recognize the 2002 Kings being scammed so throw that 3 peat out.
Things like "undefeated in the Finals" and "repeats" are so vanilla and cliche, tbh..sports fans are such imbeciles..
Barkley, McHale, Moses Malone, Karl Malone, Kareem, Mourning, Mutombo,
Pau Gasol is essentially Rik Smiths with better knees
..
No player would have. Bad roster
It would do nothing. There's only one level of 1st ballot HOFer. Everything else is just fan talk points. I'll take 6 or 7 or however many, but if Tim isn't the main force behind them, it's pointless from a legacy standpoint. Of course more is always better. Tim was set after 3.
It would blunt 6 about as much as 1 can blunt something forever gone.
Because he was reckless, then careless and finally negligent he gave an NBA le back that was in the ing case. If I didn't hate him and a goodly portion of his fandom I'd feel bad for him.
I never had one in there and had to give it back. It's the in' s, man.
"this team went as far as MVParker took em" tbqh
ty takes as expected.
Argument from popularity (more people like Kobe than Tim)
Argument from ambiguity (8 les would somehow make a PF compare to Jordan, despite how they played)
Begging the question (7th le putting Duncan above Kobe assumes he's not already, a point that you seem chicken to make and that almost every NBA pundit would disagree with)
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You've stepped into a chasm of such mediocrity & AWOL that it is near inconceivable. I've likened it to the film "The Great Escape" where the night of the escape comes, but, they've (Spurs) come up short of the woods by about 25 yards. Luckily the Allies are bombing in the area and there is a total blackout. It is at this juncture where the prisoners have their opportunity, Spurs too. Get as many men/rings as you can muster before the lights (mediocrity & AWOL) switch back on.
Link to "every pundit" agreeing on anything. I'll patiently wait
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