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Although Brett Brown or Jacques Vaughn records arent good, they were ed from the beggining
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Although Brett Brown or Jacques Vaughn records arent good, they were ed from the beggining
Shouldn't Steve Kerr be on both lists?
Even though there's a clear reason why their records are bad, they're not comparable at all - Brett Brown is a good coach, who is thrown into a coaching due to some almighty dumb plan. He can't do anything with d-leagers. Jacque just isn't that good. He's had some nice talent in Orlando and wasn't able to set a style, improve the team and develop the players. Perhaps he was too quick to get a coaching gig and should have stayed with Pop for a couple more years, but who could blame him. I really hope he gets another chance.
No. He never coached under either Pop or Phil.
Doc Rivers didn't coach under Pop, either. And he never played for Pop -- at best, he was a player that Popovich, as general manager, successfully acquired in a trade. While Doc played for the Spurs for most of two seasons, his only coach in SA was Bob Hill.
But but it stillounts
Yeah if you're gonna claim Doc by those standards then you'd have to put AJ on that list, though given his career arc I would say he would look more at home on Bob Hill's coaching tree.
different styles. Pop is the Socialist version of a coach.(all get a say and are treated equal) KFC is the Ayn Rand version of a coach.
People often confuse Pop's coaching tree with former Spurs who are now coaches in the league.
and to think Pop is just a tree in the Larry brown forest
Tree>Forest
illogical
Pop is a great coach but Larry Brown is probably the greatest coach of all time.
It's not updated, but you're right. Kerr should be there.
lol brian shaw didn't he just got fired?
and for fisher, I think his going to get fired also from the knicks....there main tv cable sponsor is stopping casting knicks remainder home games or some
For what? For coaching and "proving" something in college?
What do you need as proof? Wins? Transformations of teams? Peer consensus? He proved something in college before he came to the NBA. He doesn't need to prove anything. Do you have any idea who Larry Brown is?
Let me help you out:
Lawrence Harvey "Larry" Brown (born September 14, 1940) is an American basketball coach, who is currently the head coach at Southern Methodist University. He is the faculty advisor for the student spirit group supporting the campus's athletics programs named "The MOB," as Brown is known as "The Godfather." [1] Before coaching, Brown played collegiately at the University of North Carolina and professionally in the American Basketball Association (ABA). He has been a college and professional basketball coach since 1972. He has won over 1,000 professional games in the ABA and the National Basketball Association (NBA) and is the only coach in NBA history to lead eight different teams to the playoffs. He is also the only person ever to coach two NBA franchises in the same season (San Antonio Spurs and Los Angeles Clippers during the 1991-92 NBA season[2]). He is 1,275–965 in his career. He is also the only coach in history to win both an NCAA National Championship (University of Kansas, 1988) and an NBA Championship (Detroit Pistons, 2004).
Wins? Pop has a better record. Transformation of teams? Transition from David to Duncan from Duncan-centric to big 3 from big 3 to being a 15-man wrecking machine. Peer consensus? Everybody respects Pop and have him as their GOAT Coach.
Gregg Charles Popovich (born January 28, 1949) is an American basketball coach who is currently the head coach of the National Basketball Association's San Antonio Spurs. Taking over as coach of the Spurs in 1996, Popovich is the longest tenured active coach in both the NBA and all US major sports leagues. He is often referred to as "Coach Pop" or simply "Pop".[1][2] He holds the record for most consecutive winning seasons in NBA history at 17. Popovich has won five NBA championships as the head coach of the Spurs. He is one of only five coaches in NBA history to win five or more NBA championships. Phil Jackson, Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, and John Kundla are the other coaches. He is also one of 9 coaches in NBA history to have won 1,000 NBA games.
Larry has more NBA wins than Pop so you cannot use the record argument until Pop has as many wins as Larry. Pop could have a worse record than Larry if Pop ever coaches that many games. Larry was Pop's mentor at Kansas. Pop is a great coach, probably 2nd best all time imo, based on how he's handled these past few years of mediocre player acquisitions, however Larry Brown did that most of his career on different teams. Both coaches have faults. Larry coached the non-superstar Pistons to a trollop of the 4 HOFer Lakers in 04 and came pretty damn close to a b2b with them on 05.
He also has 533 games more
So when Pop has 1200 wins you can see what Pop's losses are and then decide, otherwise a coach with 1 win and 0 losses has a better record than Pop.He also has 533 games more
Nice backtrack.
Ok forget 1 and 0, but if you want to show how something doesn't work you have to take it to absurdity. Let's say a coach has 600 wins and 300 losses. He's doing real well. Now lets say he has a bad stretch where he's doing a Brett Brown or Byron Scott role, tanking. Let's say he took it upon himself to go to teams that needed him instead of staying where the path was already laid. He could very well end up 700 and 550 or worse.Nice backtrack.
You have to get to the same point in the race to know whether or not you have a better record, you basically have to retire from the game. That's why I don't judge records alone ( Phil has a great record, I don't think he can coach for ). I'd have a hard time arguing either over the other because of personal bias, I know Larry Brown personally, but I am also a huge Pop supporter and I believe Pop is the greatest coach in the NBA today bar none. It would be a close race between Pop and Brown if you considered Brown's basketball a en and ability to coach guys he doesn't even know. Pop is a different type of coach.
Larry Brown would tell you Pop is the greatest coach of all time, but Pop would point to Larry.
Pop has not transformed a team. He has basically had the same team for 12 years (same core) and had two of the best big men the league has ever seen, at the same time. Pop's real virtuoso performance came in the last two seasons, and actually crescendoed in 2014 with the motion offense. Larry went to several teams that were suffering and turned them around. I'm not going to list them all, you can call ass if you disagree. Larry did the same with every program he's been at, and his real weakness has been staying in one place, because of his style and that he doesn't get along with the front offices of almost every franchise. He does it his way, they don't like it, he gets results and he leaves.
Ok fair enough with the wins part. But Pop still wins since he got the most out of what was offered to him in lesser quan y. But wins/regular season records alone don't measure who's better.
Now you go in-depth, like I said, what has Brown done in your own terms "Transformation of teams" that Pop hasn't? To reverse things around, what has Pop done that Brown hasn't? Has Brown coached a team with the best player being as important as the 8th guy in the rotation? Has Brown coached a team as dominating as last year's Spurs? You can't rebutt that because he simply hasn't yet, and I doubt he will.
You can also go with rings, h2h match-ups etc. 5>1, and Pop beat him in 05.
I'll give the college accomplishment to Brown, no problem. Consensus of peers can be pretty cliche but whatever both of them receive the same level of respect anyway.
If you take all of these into consideration, since it's pretty dumb to choose who's greater with just 1 category, then I don't know how one can take Brown over Pop.
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