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K....., can a dpoy be a role player? They usually are. But isn't the leagues best 2 way player a true star?
It's debatable at best. Kawhi has some great highlights and he's had a stretch of games where he looked like a star. But then he takes a back seat. Part of it is the richness of this team. But it's also a reminder that Kawhi is a work in progress. Last year he sat out 1/3 of the season. DPOY pretty much means he's the leagues best defender. But on offense? He's solid, but the offense doesn't depend on him. He's at best a third option and with LMA and west he's not going to be a first option. And that's ok.
I call him a role player to troll, of course. But it's also an admission that his game is not ready for prime time night in and night out. That is what a star is. People are giving kawhi the benefit of the doubt. Which is fine but you lunatics are projecting things on him that are way out of left field.
He should be an all star this year. It's a popularity thing but i think he has a good chance to be voted in and will be guaranteed to be a coach pick. That may be the nail on the role player coffin. Winning a series in the playoffs as the first option would also do the trick.
Until then, he's the best player on team of role players. Clearly the most important spur (pending LMA) and the hardest to replace, but not a true star yet. Unless you think there is this magic middle category between star and role player i think it's safe to call him a role player.
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-aarony
Just called Duncan a role player. Lmao.
OP is a.....
Duncan pretty much is a role player at this point. I mean he's won innumerable series in the past, and looked good the last few years but he won't win every playoff matchup and could be shut down and exploited if a team wanted to. That fact Dugan is so good is a function of wingstop and a motion based offense that gets him easy looks.
There was no star on this team for the last two years. Our last true star was parker in 2013. It's been a committee approach since.
Exactly. Pg is a role.
The fact that sixty percent of our starting line up could not get more than one good game and pop having one of the worst
Series of all time and we got a bogus foul on tim and the refs started the timer early and pop not running
Another play and to the last shot game 7 does not mAke Tim a ing role player.
Mainstream big three fan here. Seriously I know we almost best the clippers and he and kawhi were the best players in that series. But Duncan didn't dominate his matchup. The dude can barely move! Tiago was just as important as Tim last year. Is he a star? No.
I'm not judging players on their career or their potential. I'm just starting my criterion is that a star dominates a meaningful stretch of games.
Kawhi came close in the reg season once he recovered. Then he went cold against the clipper. Chris Paul is a star. He willed his team to win (and then he the bed after gassing out Houston)
I'm on my phone. I ain't going to bother. Duncan has lost many series in his prime as the top dog. Was he a role player because of that?
The actual role players needed to step up. Porker cost us the series btw. ing cancer tbh. Have you checked duncan's numbers ye t got.?
Yes, Kawhi is a role player
"Was Duncan a role player....."
No, clearly not. He was the best player more often than not back then. He was unquestionably the alpha of the team. Really a bad example to compare and all time top ten talent with a young and upcoming player who has yet to win anything meaningful as a primary option.
If someone wants to disagree with me intelligently tell me why Leonard is a star? Is it a media award like dpoy or finals mvp?
Is it advanced stats?
Two ways to be star imo.... Lead a team (including bad teams) or show you can meaningfully dominate.
Durant isn't his team's leader but he obv could be.
Gordan Hayward is a team star, but he'd a role player on a good team.
Maybe kawhi could lead a team better than the league's bottom rung stars. But he hasn't gotten the chance yet and hasn't asserted himself as the team alpha here either. He's talented enough, but he may not have the mental makeup to be a true leader. Many people have suggested that Leonard's ceiling is a pippen. Others have given the benefit of the doubt. Which is fine but it's speculation not fact
Thankfully we have the Big 4. Duncan, LMAlpha, Parker, and Manu
"Kawhi is a role player, he's 3rd option because West now...and Paul is a star" because after years of criticism he has redeemed himself in the first round last playoffs, but not Kawhi.
Stupid but also funny
If the criteria to call star a player is who redeemed himself in playoffs...Kawhi is a true star since he redeemed himself winning the FMVP in 2014 after missed one FT in 2013...
But for K..., everyone but Kawhi
God I hate player fans.
Israel Gutierrez?
Even though I argue against all these player fans' BS, I'm pretty high on KL. Those saying he isn't an all star level player are either missing something or have an agenda. Yes, some of the criticisms are valid; and I've leveled them to combat the player fans. But calling KL a role player? Come on, now.
You certainly hate yourself.
Go back to the jemmer thread. Srs.
Kawhi's not getting paid like a role player. He was getting paid less then Matt Barnes last year. He was making almost 10x less than Lebron. I don't care what he did last year, there should be expectations for him to make a leap. Tim can't hand the keys to the car to anyone, someone needs to take it.
Maybe in the stricter sense of the word (increasingly popular sense of the word too); but in years past, starters / borderline all-stars weren't called role players. This is why I think it's stupid to call KL a role player. When I think role player I think of ML Carr or something like that.
Basically Kawhi's a role player for only two/three bad games in playoffs?
Before last season, Paul was a role player too because couldn't lead his team to past the second round since...?
Well, that's why nobody thinks you're trolling, you really think what you say, and it just shows your poor judge of talent.
WHy all the self-hating, dabom?
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