Why arrest?

[Winehole23]

It is no exaggeration to say that arrests are the paradigmatic police activity. While many debate the necessity of particular arrests, neither participants in the criminal justice system nor contemporary critics have seriously considered whether law enforcement – as a general matter - requires arrests. This essay challenges the long-held assumption that, even if not every arrest is legitimate, arrests as a general matter are worthwhile because they are critical to law enforcement goals. As recent news events have suggested, arrests are more harmful than they first seem, not only to the individuals arrested but also to their families and to society as a whole. More importantly, our traditional justifications for arrests - starting the criminal process and maintaining public order – at best support a much more limited practice of arrest than we currently permit. Overwhelmingly, arrests can be replaced with alternatives, even for serious crimes, and neither public safety nor public order will likely much suffer. As a result, whether or not arrests are fairly imposed on individuals, contemporary arrest practice is illegitimate because the coercion it involves is largely unnecessary.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.c...act_id=2673553

[boutons_deux]

that whole "eternal vigilance" thing looks so outdated, eternally mythical.

Try some "eternal vigilance" dissent and see how long it takes der Heimat Security, FBI, "fusion centers", military police to snoop, criminalize, arrest! you.

[Winehole23]

what the are you talking about, boutons?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what the are you talking about, boutons?

He's big on the fatalistic surrendering rhetoric.

[boutons_deux]

what the are you talking about, boutons?

the "price of freedom" from gratuitous arrest. Just try resisting arrest, or political dissent.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

See?

Anyway to address the OP. If you want to change this type of thing then you need to bust the police unions. they will never stand for it and they are too powerful in our pluralist system.

I'm not saying that they cannot organize but the thousands of already empowered police organizations has no check or balance.

[boutons_deux]

yep, the militarized police/security state cannot be rolled back, simply impossible.

And they will continue to take on more powers, liberties to themselves, while prosecutors and judges enable them, or at least stand by doing nothing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yep, the militarized police/security state cannot be rolled back, simply impossible.

And they will continue to take on more powers, liberties to themselves, while prosecutors and judges enable them, or at least stand by doing nothing.

Several states are rolling back LEOBR and LEOBR provisions. Several states are setting up panels and commissions to police their police. Pull your head out of your ass.

We are a democratic country of 50 states and over a thousand counties. Change is not going to happen uniformly or overnight.

[pgardn]

what the are you talking about, boutons?

The US is Fkd and UnFkable.

We live in a society that can't be fixed.
We will all die a painful death...
Our pets heads are falling off...


Whatever is hopeless, that's us.

[boutons_deux]

The US is Fkd and UnFkable.

We live in a society that can't be fixed.
We will all die a painful death...
Our pets heads are falling off...

Whatever is hopeless, that's us.

Nobody here as EVER suggested ways to un America from the militarized police/lawless prosecutors/civil forfeiture thieving, the security state, BigFinance sucking down our wealth, how to prefer people's butter instead of the MIC's guns, private equity asset destruction, get money out of politics, reverse gerrymandering, re-install Glass-Steagall, re-implement the VRA in totality, etc, etc.

So have at it, pfarten, I'm waiting for your or anybody's suggestions to re-establish the primacy of the Human-Americans instead of the primacy of Corporate-Americans/corporatocracy, etc, etc.

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[pgardn]

Nobody here as EVER suggested ways to un America from the militarized police/lawless prosecutors/civil forfeiture thieving, the security state, BigFinance sucking down our wealth, how to prefer people's butter instead of the MIC's guns, private equity asset destruction, get money out of politics, reverse gerrymandering, re-install Glass-Steagall, re-implement the VRA in totality, etc, etc.

So have at it, pfarten, I'm waiting for your or anybody's suggestions to re-establish the primacy of the Human-Americans instead of the primacy of Corporate-Americans/corporatocracy, etc, etc.

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You need to, along with others, help get people together with like minded views and have a large write in turnout wherever applicable. That's a start. After you find all those who agree with your views and candidates get back with me for the next step.

Its very easy to vote for candidates hostile to business if you can first accomplish the above. Organize boots. People must be waiting. It's very doable if you have enough people that think as you do. The very initial Tea party group did this with the thoughts of getting rid of in bency. They got hijacked along the way by those that saw they wielded power by those that saw votes. Watch out for that.

Go now my son...