every body wants TIM & MANU to retire, but have you thought about this

[Prose]

i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an iden y for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...

[Leebrix]

No... nobody has though about this.

in dumbass

[Prose]

I'm talking about the money issue specifically... who could you get for that money with cap increasing next year?

[Poolboy5623]

Well Duncan was basically useless against okc...I'd hope for 5.6, they can find someone that would actually see the floor?

[Hoops Czar]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.

[Keepin' it real]

Everybody?

[Prose]

Well Duncan was basically useless against okc...I'd hope for 5.6, they can find someone that would actually see the floor?

actually he had the highest +/- of anybody in the series for both teams (I believe +10), and that was achieved with his deteriorating body he can still will the team to victory. The team feel apart when he left the floor, i think the problem was the type of bigs we had around him and playing him and LMA together maybe isn't so great considering LMA does nothing on defense/boards. I think OKC is the only team that would expose us like, as far as their bigs vs our bigs.

[Prose]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.

I wish TP would be our 6th man!!! no way him or pop would do that though...pop loves andre miller so imagine how he feels about tony

[Sean Cagney]

Well Duncan was basically useless against okc...I'd hope for 5.6, they can find someone that would actually see the floor?

I wouldn't fully say useless because those last two games he came alive, then again maybe the last game it was just adrenaline and his last game we see him so he had one left in that tank.

[Kawhitstorm]

actually he had the highest +/- of anybody in the series for both teams (I believe +10), and that was achieved with his deteriorating body he can still will the team to victory. The team feel apart when he left the floor, i think the problem was the type of bigs we had around him and playing him and LMA together maybe isn't so great considering LMA does nothing on defense/boards. I think OKC is the only team that would expose us like, as far as their bigs vs our bigs.

Kobe scored 60 in his final game but still had the worst shooting percentage in the league.

[AFMadison]

Kobe score 60 in his final game but still had the worst shooting percentage in the league.

Damn dude killing that emoji

[Kawhitstorm]

Damn dude killing that emoji

[BSfromTX]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.

I see see this take all the time. While true I some regards, it's still a typical underestimate of what Manu has done for the last 11 years. "Glue of the second unit"? Give me an fn break. He has closed out games his entire career. The onlyreason he was ever a 6th man was to simply spread out the offense and Manu was most accepting to coming off the bench to do so.
So many idiots in here are oblivious to what Manu has done over the years and have bought in to this 6 th man crap. He was always way beyond that.. A washing machine? You are an idiot trying to appease to the rest of the teenagers in this forum. Quit trying to sound cool and bring a real take.

[AFMadison]

[SAGirl]

Yes...it's up to them though. Like Pop says worrying about it is pointless. The hope is that you add what they were going to earn to the cap and find viable solutions. Intangibles are gone but it wasn't going to last forever. The flipside of the coin is having him on the roster in a fossil like Kobe state. I hope that's not the case bc that's very unlike him.

[palangi]

I guess it will be time for kawhi and LMA to step up and be leaders. It's funny to watch some of you live in nostalgia. This isn't 2010 anymore. Even the 49ers knew when to let one of the all time great QBs go in Joe Montana. They also let the all time great WR Jerry Rice go.

[Hoops Czar]

I see see this take all the time. While true I some regards, it's still a typical underestimate of what Manu has done for the last 11 years. "Glue of the second unit"? Give me an fn break. He has closed out games his entire career. The onlyreason he was ever a 6th man was to simply spread out the offense and Manu was most accepting to coming off the bench to do so.
So many idiots in here are oblivious to what Manu has done over the years and have bought in to this 6 th man crap. He was always way beyond that.. A washing machine? You are an idiot trying to appease to the rest of the teenagers in this forum. Quit trying to sound cool and bring a real take.

2007-12 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. People get old, deal with it. I don't know how the rest of this is even pertinent to the discussion. Once upon a time, Manu was great, therefore, he should continue to sabotage the team with his poor play? He can no longer lead the second unit. He can no longer be the de facto back up pg. He can no longer play 20 minutes a game and be effective on a nightly basis. He can no longer carry Paddy Mills. If Ginobili wants to be fresh for the playoffs, he would need to start his season in March, not November because his effectiveness goes right down the ter with every passing game.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

lol Manu was easily top 3 bench player in the league this season.

we can't get better players than Tim and Manu for similar money.

A lot of people here want an excellent team to get a lot worse it seems.

[Sean Cagney]

2007-12 Ginobili isn't walking through those doors. People get old, deal with it. I don't know how the rest of this is even pertinent to the discussion. Once upon a time, Manu was great, therefore, he should continue to sabotage the team with his poor play? He can no longer lead the second unit. He can no longer be the de facto back up pg. He can no longer play 20 minutes a game and be effective on a nightly basis. He can no longer carry Paddy Mills. If Ginobili wants to be fresh for the playoffs, he would need to start his season in March, not November because his effectiveness goes right down the ter with every passing game.

2014 playoffs Manu seems light years away from his state right now. He is a s of that even.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

If people think the Kawhi and LMA duo surrounded by crap gets us 60 wins they're delusional.

Especially if Pop doesn't find ways to overhaul the stagnant starter's offense.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

2014 playoffs Manu seems light years away from his state right now. He is a s of that even.

Don't trust your eye-test biased from a series where everything ended hopelessly.

Manu's objective numbers are still among the top bench players in the league.

Almost no one has his impact. Arguably only Iguodala is better.

Many people probably think someone like Jamal Crawford and various other bench scorers are great but there is a reason we always win many more games than those teams and a big part of that was still a Manu-led bench.

[SD126]

Don't trust your eye-test biased from a series where everything ended hopelessly.

Manu's objective numbers are still among the top bench players in the league.

Almost no one has his impact. Arguably only Iguodala is better.

Many people probably think someone like Jamal Crawford and various other bench scorers are great but there is a reason we always win many more games than those teams and a big part of that was still a Manu-led bench.

Only thing he still impacts is your brain fried, delusional thinking that he still has it.

[Hoops Czar]

If people think the Kawhi and LMA duo surrounded by crap gets us 60 wins they're delusional.

Especially if Pop doesn't find ways to overhaul the stagnant starter's offense.

I know this is just a cute way of throwing Parker under the bus but the Starter's offense is stagnant in large part because of LMA and Leonard ISO. 4/5's of the Starters aren't going anywhere so there isn't going to be an overhaul.

[SD126]

I know this is just a cute way of throwing Parker under the bus but the Starter's offense is stagnant in large part because of LMA and Leonard ISO. 4/5's of the Starters aren't going anywhere so there isn't going to be an overhaul.

Sadly, this will be the likely outcome.

[TheGreatYacht]

A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.

Truth bomb