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I don't know if 'hero' is the term I'd use, but I'm glad he did it.
What do you guys think Spurstalk? I'm not saying you have to be 100% one way or another, but for the purposes of discussion, if you're 51% one way and 49% the other, list the side you're 51% with.
I'm going hero, personally. He made sure to redact things that could be used by enemies, and shared info that Americans should know. Plus, maybe we can finally get some leverage going on transparency, reducing the spy-state, etc etc.
I don't know if 'hero' is the term I'd use, but I'm glad he did it.
I agree with both comments. However, it is uneasy feeling when I see how he went to China and then Russia. Is it true that China got all the info he is carrying on his four laptops? If so, I would lean more towards traitor.
He did? I thought he did not, thus put military etc people at risk and that is why the State is y.
so why is he gettin chase after, while rupert murdoch does the same last year gets away free?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_whistleblowers
all of them heros.
even this guy:
San Diego protester faces vandalism charges for sidewalk chalk drawings
A protester is standing trial on criminal vandalism charges in San Diego, and faces a sentence of up to 13 years in prison if convicted, for a scribbling a series of anti-bank slogans in chalk on a city sidewalk.
Mayor Bob Filner has denounced the prosecution of Jeff Olson, 40, a man with no previous criminal record, as a waste of taxpayer money and an abuse of power that infringes on First Amendment free speech protections in the U.S. Cons ution.
"This young man is being persecuted for thirteen counts of vandalism stemming from an expression of political protest that involved washable children's chalk on a city sidewalk," the mayor said last week in a memo to the City Council.
The city attorney, Jan Goldsmith, defended his pursuit of the case in remarks published on Thursday in the U-T San Diego news website, saying: "We prosecute vandalism and theft cases regardless of who the perpetrator or victim might be."
"We don't decide, for example, based upon whether we like or dislike banks," Goldsmith added. "That would be wrong under the law and such a practice by law enforcement would change our society in very damaging ways."
On Thursday, Superior Court Judge Howard Shore issued a gag order in the case, forbidding all parties from discussing the trial further. He previously ruled that Olson would not be permitted to invoke freedom of expression as a defense in the case.
Olson is charged with 13 misdemeanor counts of vandalism, each carrying a maximum penalty of one year in jail and a $1,000 fine, though he is not expected to receive as harsh a sentence as 13 consecutive years behind bars if found guilty.
He is accused of writing a series of protest slogans between February and August 2012 on sidewalks in front of Bank of America branches.
Olson has admitted to the graffiti protests, but said nothing he wrote was profane or vulgar and suggested his prosecution was politically motivated.
"I wrote, 'No thanks big banks.' I wrote, 'Shame on Bank of America,'" he told San Diego CBS television affiliate KFMB-TV. He told another local station, ABC affiliate KGTV: "If I had drawn a little girl's hopscotch squares on the street, we wouldn't be here today."
The mayor's office would not rule out the possibility that Filner might appear as a witness for Olson.
The Olson case has become the latest flashpoint in a deepening rift between Filner and Goldsmith, who was elected city attorney under the former mayor by promising to improve the office's ability to work with the city's top elected official.
The mayor and city attorney have clashed over medical marijuana dispensary crackdowns, tourism district funds, bond issues and the mayor's recent successful effort to cut $500,000 from the city attorney's budget.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...e=domesticNews
BoA steals 100Ks of homes in false, botched, illegal foreclosures, skates free, but can't stand anti-BoA graffitti.
Let's see how the General who is a suspect in leaking US as stuxnet perp gets handled.
And head needs prosecuting for outing Valerie Plame.
I haven't been following the story enough to know if I'd call him a "hero" but I do know that the international manhunt is ridiculously over the top. Not sure if that's a media coverage thing, or if the government really is treating him like an international terrorist.
But if I'm picking a side, it's definitely his.
Wasn't that the Wash Post?
another one:
Barrett Brown's Revelations Every Bit As Explosive As Edward Snowden's
Brown made a splash in February 2011 by helping to uncover "Team Themis", a project by intelligence contractors retained by Bank of America to demolish the hacker society known as Anonymous and silence sympathetic journalists like Glenn Greenwald (now with the Guardian, though then with Salon). The campaign reportedly involved a menagerie of contractors: Booz Allen Hamilton, a billion-dollar intelligence industry player and Snowden's former employer; Palantir, a PayPal-inspired and -funded outfit that sells "data-mining and analysis software that maps out human social networks for counterintelligence purposes"; and HBGary Federal, an aspirant consultancy in the intelligence sector.
The Team Themis story began in late 2010, when Julian Assange warned WikiLeaks would release do ents outlining an "ecosystem of corruption [that] could take down a bank or two." Anticipating that it might be in Assange's sights, Bank of America went into damage-control mode and, as the New York Times reported, assembled "a team of 15 to 20 top Bank of America officials … scouring thousands of do ents in the event that they become public." To oversee the review, Bank of American brought in Booz Allen Hamilton.
Days later, Bank of America retained the well-connected law firm of Hunton & Williams, which was reportedly recommended by the Department of Justice. Hunton & Williams promptly emailed HBGary Federal, Palantir and Berico; they, in turn, "proposed various schemes to attack" WikiLeaks and Greenwald. In fact, Hunton & Williams had first contacted the three tech firms in October 2010, at the behest of the Chamber of Commerce to find out if it was being attacked by labor union-backed campaigners.
The final cast member, Aaron Barr, then CEO of HBGary Federal, started creating personal dossiers on Hunton & Williams employees to display his prowess as a social media ninja – his way of convincing the law firm that he could train them in the perils of social media. Barr was anxious to generate income for hisstruggling subsidiary.
According to the Team Themis proposal, its partners suggested creating false do ents and fake personas to damage progressive organizations such as "ThinkProgress, the labor coalition called Change to Win, the SEIU, US Chamber Watch, and StopTheChamber.com". According to reporting by Wired, the three companies hoped to bill the Chamber of Commerce for $2m a month. But while (as leaked emails showed) the parties in the plan went back and forth over how to apportion the spoils, nothing was forthcoming.
Then Hunton & Williams submitted the Bank of America proposal, and HBGary Federal, Palantir and Berico swung into action. On 2 December, just three days after Assange's warning, Aaron Barr crafted the plan to launch "cyber attacks" on WikiLeaks.
The tech companies' emails – which Anonymous hacked and Barrett Brown helped publicize – listed planned tactics:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ional-security
Did DoJ or any Congressman dare touch Barret Brown's leaks? no. F.I.R.E. is untouchable, WAY ABOVE the law.
The first instinct of any heroic whistleblower should always be to go to China and Russia.
Kind of sad that it seems safer to do that than go to America, huh?
This whole thing was just god awful embarrassing for the US but maybe that is what was needed. Seriously? Our ing Secretary of State going out today and saying it's ING NORMAL to bug our allies?????
The US spying scandal deepened today as Secretary of State John Kerry said it is 'not unusual' for governments to bug the offices of their allies sparking fierce retorts from France and Germany.
The extraordinary statement has angered leaders across the world after leaked do ents revealed America spied on 38 foreign missions and embassies including the European Union's Washington nerve centre.
As outrage grew across the EU over the damaging revelations, German Chancellor Angela Merkel was first to lash out, declaring that 'bugging friends is unacceptable' before French premier Francois Hollande demanded its 'immediate halt'.
I mean, it is probably normal. It would be stupid for us to just trust our allies. But you would think we would have a better answer prepared.
Hero. No doubt about it.
Glad he exposed the the s bags in power.
the fact that the US media actually discussed military possibly intercepting his commercial liner with fighter jets just takes this from a mere international scandal to a ing epic Comedy starring Steve Carrell as the US president.
this is ing beyond embarrassing at this point. It reached the levels of twilight zone episode.
President Obama traveling through his Motherland and getting hounded on this episode and saying things like "intelligence is finding out what I had for breakfast" is just icing on the cake
and yes in the twilight zone episode, Snowden would be the hero
Ed Snowden: "In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the cons utional government it was promised — and it should be."
This clown just wants his 15 minutes. He's ultimately a nobody.
the current US government is a broke one and it's already owned by Jews and s. Guy came out of the s and splashed light on the truth so he's a hero without any doubt. One should never get punished for speaking the truth in a true democracy imho. The cyber secret agency has expanded to 3 times its original size since Obama took office, having wasted more tax payer money that what the Afghanistan war cost, not to say the "obamacare" is probably the biggest financial blackhole to ever exist in this country, that has been consuming money in astronomical figures. anyone (including my goddess) who still thinks Obama is better than GWB must be either fooling him/herself or be a complete re
Lapdog corporate for-profit media has switched the story from the content of Snowden's release(s) to Snowden.
Looks like the American Corporate Empire has intimidated all of Snowden's asylum countries into refusing him asylum, not with military intimidation but with financial intimidation.
Like Manning, Snowden will be imprisoned, held naked in isolation, and tortured for months or years before his kangaroo court show trial.
90% of ignorant, dumbed down America will be watching brain-rotting TV, mistaking it for "reality".
America The Beautiful.
Some country that hates the US will take him. I'd be amazed if they didn't. What's the US going to do? The only card they hold is denying financial aid.
financial aid, embargo, suspend/annul free trade agreements, and general bullying and bad mouthing
America's New Cold War: Why the Allies Side With Snowden
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_3531862.html
He is probably going to Venezuela in Maduro's presidential plane today.
Venezuela Defends Snowden but Hedges on Offering Sanctuary
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/03/wo...anted=all&_r=0
no venezuela won't take him. no country will take him
he's staying in Russia for the next few months and then eventually he'll probably be naturalized there
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