I was contemplating it last night and unfortunately, one of our players is going to be the odd man out if Kidd is in a Spurs uniform.
No matter how you cut it, there just isn't enough minutes at point guard, shooting guard and small forward to split amongst the five players: Kidd, Parker, Manu, Jack and Bowen. I think that the Spurs will probably NOT re-sign Jack and Manu will be relegated to coming off the bench. And that's a real shame.
I am more in favor of getting a big man as opposed to Kidd, but I don't think the Spurs can pass on a player of Kidd's caliber if O'Neal doesn't come.
Point Guard
Tony Parker 32
Jason Kidd 16
Shooting Guard
Jason Kidd 22
Manu 26
Small Forward
Bowen 25
Jack 23
^^ See it doesn't work. Manu, Bowen and Jack are all slighted. And it will get even worse come playoff time.
Point Guard
Tony Parker 34
Jason Kidd 14
Shooting Guard
Jason Kidd 24
Manu 24
Small Forward
Bowen 30
Manu 18
^^^See that works a little better, but Manu can't see that many minutes at the 3 and Jack is gone. So honestly, if Kidd comes, then Tony is the odd man out.
Point Guard
Jason Kidd 38
Speedy 10
Shooting Guard
Manu 34
Jack 14
Small Forward
Bowen 30
Jack 18
^^ That's without Tony.
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My question to you guys who advocate Kidd coming is how do you see the minutes breaking down?
PG
Kidd 35
Parker 13
SG
Parker 20
Ginobili 15
Jackson 13
SF
Bowen 24
Jackson 12
Ginobili 12
No way Kidd's playing 44 minutes a game - Jax loses about 3 minutes a game, Kidd plays 35, Parker 33, Manu 27, Jax 25, Bruce 24... that's a filthy 1-2-3 lineup, but the team still badly needs a big after signing Kidd.
You have Kidd playing some heavy minutes.
That sounds about right bbum.
I actually made some mistakes in my calculations, so adjusted. My plan was to play Kidd around 38 minutes.Manu 27, Jax 25, Bruce 24... that's a filthy 1-2-3 lineup, but the team still badly needs a big after signing Kidd.
I don't think Jack will be here if Kidd is here. And you are right, they still need a big.
Doesn't it seem simpler to leave our 1-2-3's alone and just get a big?
A big is my first choice, but Brand is extrememely doubtful. Jermaine would be awesome, but it's more likely he stays in Indy rather than leaves, which leaves the Spurs with a bunch of crap to choose from at the 5/4. Olowokandi only interests me if the Spurs get GP too. Otherwise, **** him. At least Payton will make up for Kandi being a piece of if the KandiAss doesn't live up to the hype.
38 I think is too much to play Kidd in the regular season. He averaged 37 this year, but at age 30 the Spurs need to be concerned with lengthening Kidd's career by keeping his minutes down a bit. 35 seems reasonable, with 38-40 in the playoffs.
What kind of money are you willing to pay each of those two?Olowokandi only interests me if the Spurs get GP too
Pop says that the Spurs have around $15million available. So let's just use that number for argument sake.
GP $8.5M, KandiAss $6.5 M
I think Denver gives Kandi more money than that. No matter how much I watch him -- and I know that he is incredibly lazy -- part of me would like to see what Kandi could do in a system like the Spurs.
Even though this offseason the Spurs have a lot of money to spend and are just coming off a Championship, I find the free agent possibilities nerve-racking at times. I know there's a lot of talent out there, but when it comes down to it most of the big names will stay put. :evil
Kiki seems to be very savvy handling the salary cap, a la Pop, and I don't think he will go overboard with a possible Kandi contract. If I'm Kandi, I only wish a team wants to give me 6.5 mill, long-term.I think Denver gives Kandi more money than that. (6.5 million)
I see something like your first option, Kori.
Guard rotation: Kidd (36), Parker (30), Manu (30).
SF rotation: Bowen (24), SJax (24).
Bigman rotation: TD (40), Rose (30), ??? (26)
Besides lower minutes in the backcourt, TD will need to continue heavy minutes in the frontcourt because ??? will likely be the weakest player in the rotation.
If the Spurs can keep the current team intact then they can definitely keep Kidd's minutes down during the regular season. Should they be so fortunate as to add Kidd then they can work on getting a credible starting big with their remaining cap room. It's not like the Spurs will have an opportunity to add a player of the caliber of JO'Neal/Kidd/Brand/Payton every summer during Duncan's prime. He's at the top of his game now and will be for the next 5 to 6 years. First and foremost the goal this summer should be to add a great player to this team not just fill a position.
This team has plenty of room for improvement, especially when it come to finding offense from someone not named Duncan...especially when he isn't on the floor.
It would be nice to find a replacement for DRob but think about what DRob's contributions were this season. We all remember the DRob of old but he was a role player not a superstar this season. Just something to keep in mind.
man, am i the only one that thinks payton is done?
Anyhow.
Point - 30 Kidd
18 - Parker
Shooting - 12 - Parker
24 - Manu
12 - Jax
Three - Bowen 30
Jax - 18
That comes out to
30 minutes for eveyrone except Manu who has 24 (not bad at all for a reserve)
Thats really very balanced, and of course Pop going to whoever was hot in a particular game, maybe TP only plays 20 minutes one game because Manu is on.
Thats pretty reasonable if you ask me. This of course assumes speedy is gone.
Aren't you guys forgetting about someone? how about some minutes for Steve "Bling Bling" Kerr?
Seriously, let me add another point of discussion. Who do you play at crunch time?
Kidd, TP, Manu? too small but might happen
Kidd, Manu, SJax? would TP be cool with it?
Well, you won't have to worry about minutes in the playoffs, because the Spurs won't get there at all........ with Kidd instead of a good frontline player top replace DRob.
Please Jim, you're reaching pretty hard if you think a Duncan-Kidd led team won't even make the playoffs... Can they win the le is another story...
I am just trying to make a point here.
Would we ever sign Kidd then trade him mid-year for a big, or would that hurt the franchise in the eyes of players?
Another thing Spurs fans are forgetting is that Kidd is the best rebounding guard in the league. That's a significant plus considering that he usually gets most of his rebounds near the top of the key...that is, rebounds the Spurs don't make with as much frequency.
And Alvin Robertson was a great rebounding guard too, and look what that did for us. We need a huge frontline, not any extra guards. Kidd is almost a hasbeen, he can not shoot, he throws lobs to KMart and Jefferson, any monkey can do that, he did not carry NJ to the championship, he can't replace DRob, even with his 5 rebs a game. i can not wait til July so we can stop all this crap about a player we do not need or want, for that matter.
If Tyrone Hill fits the definition of "credible starting big," we are in trouble.Should they be so fortunate as to add Kidd then they can work on getting a credible starting big with their remaining cap room.
WTF is your point?And Alvin Robertson was a great rebounding guard too, and look what that did for us.
PJ Brown, Juwan Howard, etc... But hey, I hope this franchise does the smart thingIf Tyrone Hill fits the definition of "credible starting big," we are in trouble.and dismisses Jason Kidd for someone they really need like Michael Olowokandi. Yeah.
PJ Brown or Juwan Howard would be nice bigs.
Tyrone Hill is not, nor should it ever be, an option for the starting line up.
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