Reply With Quotefirst they must secure atleast pj brown.
I don't think the Spurs are ready to give up on their quest to replace Robinson with a star this summer.
With O'Neal and Kidd re-signing wiht their current teams, the only big name left out there is the restricted free agent Elton Brand — a PF/C who many people ranked at the top of their lists for this summer.
The Spurs reportedly already asked about a sign-and-trade for Brand and were turned down.
Brand's agent David Faulk is cautioning Brand against accepting an offer for the max from Utah because he thinks Clips owner Donald Sterling will match and Brand will be locked into playing for the Clippers for years to come.
If Brand gets the max from Sterling, is that such a horrible thing to play for the other LA team?
Wouldn't it be worth the gamble that Sterling won't match an offer from Utah or SA?
Of course, the alternative is just re-signing for one year with the Clippers and becoming unrestricted next year and then Brand can sign outright with whatever team he wants.
If the Spurs extend an offer to Brand and he accepts, they'd have to wait for 15 days for Sterling to decide if he would match.
Other free agents could be signed during that time, but I feel no one is left that is worth giving a shot at landing Brand.
The Spurs front office can't be satisfied with scooping up the leftovers. The oness is on them to do more than maintain or marginally improve the team, with the Lakers adding two perennial All-Stars.
The urgency to get Brand should be apparent.
The front office must decide to extend Brand an offer and convince him to accept.
first they must secure atleast pj brown.
I think the spurs need insurance at this point. PJ sounds to me like he fits the bill. With the further development of our back court, another year for sjax, parker and manu to get better, we do not need a star center.
If we get pj, can we still afford Brand? That is the question.
I think no.
Brand is just not going to happen this year.
Sorry Ghost, going for broke with 2 aces is just not smart.
It's an all or nothing gamble, and I don't think we should try it.
UNLESS we have a good feeling sterling is full of , but i honestly don't think he is.
sterling is not going to match all of them...
maybe a sign a trade can still happen though
The Clips can still sign and trade Brand if there is an outstanding offer sheet- but you cannot sign and trade to the team that extended the offer sheet.
So, with that said, how about this possible alternative, Ghost.
We allow Utah to offer the max contract, and then swoop in with a S&T offer.
If Sterling rejects us, it will be because he wants to keep Brand and is going to match the offer.
If Sterling is on the fence between matching and not matching, maybe the compensation we offer will make losing Brand okay with him- and we get Brand in the S&T.
If Sterling is not going to match, he would rather get SOMETHING in return that losing Brand outright. In this case, we get Brand.
If it doesn't look like Utah will extend the offer sheet, then we go ahead and do it.
Whaddya think?
The Spurs have to give up real value in a S&T for Brand (ie Parker).
Most likely, if someone extends Brand a max offer sheet then other GMs around the league will call up Sterling and tell him that they will trade with him later next season for Brand if he matches the offer.
Once Brand signs a team's offer sheet, he's either going to that team or staying on the Clips (if they match). LA cannot sign-and-trade to anyone (including Utah) if Brand signs an offer from the Jazz.We allow Utah to offer the max contract, and then swoop in with a S&T offer.
This is the best idea I've heard all day, scott. Way to put on your thinking cap this early in the morning!"We allow Utah to offer the max contract, and then swoop in with a S&T offer." — scott
Given the history of sterling, he probably would accept cash and picks and a player to avoid paying the max.
I can hardly acknowledge the people who would rather throw money at PJ Brown than pursue Brand for 15 days.
Ghost, read genghis' lesson and STFU.
ghost, you must have your stupid cap on this morning.
PJ brown along with another FA keeps us competative.
Having Sterling match Brand, and losing Jax Speedy and all the other available FA's out there leaves as a 6th seed.
Get a ing clue!
Brand aint comin either
resign the FAs then sign PJ Brown and some other Vets like Leonard and others.
Thats the best Idea that I can see right now.
Waiting on Brand and loosing out on PJ Brown would be a BIG mistake.
PJ Brown > 03 David Robinson.
Then expect PJ in Dallas or back in NO because he won't wait that long.I can hardly acknowledge the people who would rather throw money at PJ Brown than pursue Brand for 15 days.
If we don't get Brand then I guess we will be down to whatever FA is left. By then, most will be off the board since the Kidd domino has fallen.
at the blackjack table that just lost his biggest bet yet, then doubles down on the next one.
When you hit a losing streak, know when to walk away from the table.
pj=at least as good as we were, guranteed.
brand=most likely we get screwed, maybe 20% chance we get away with it.
Not worth the risk.
plus see gengis.
Disregard my S&T idea then. I was basing my ideas on some erroneous information.
Going after Brand doesn't cause us to lose Speedy or Jack, Manny- nor does it really cause us to miss out on other FAs.
Brand is a 25% FA, giving us 2.125 million in addition to the 3.8 million MB calculated after a 30% FA with a 42.5M cap. With 5.925 Million, we will still be able to go after some nice players while the Brand offer is out on the table.
"some nice players"...
Do you think pj will come for that at this point?
I think that is possible, but not a lock.
I was thinking 6 myself....
If Brand is unwilling to roll the dice by signing an offer sheet with Utah, why would he change his mind with the Spurs. If he doesn't mind playing for the Clippers, then he will sign with them. If he hates playing for the Clippers he would be a fool to sign an offer sheet. I just don't see it happening unless Sterling signs 'Kandi, Maggette, and Odom first and then maybe considers Brand more expendable. Doesn't seem like a likely scenario.
If PJ is ready to sign, we need to sign him before Denver, Miami, N.O., Utah, or some one else scoops him up while we are chasing a pipe dream.
PJ can give us the same numbers Robinson gave us last year. That means we could go into the coming season no worse off than last year, and with Manu, Parker, and Jack having another year of experience under their belts, we could be quite a bit better.
The Lakers look like they are going to be tough to beat, but the experiment has yet to prove it will work. Those guys are all used to getting their shots. If there is high drama with Snaq and Kobe fighting for attention, imagine how it will be now. Also (and I don't wish this to happen but it might) Kobe might be going into this season with a major distraction because of the Colorado incident. He might not even be available for a big part of the season. Again, I hope he is innocent and this whole mess blows over, but latest reports out of Colorado make me think that the DA is expecting DNA evidence and is just waiting for that before seeking an indictment. He doesn't want to be accused of a "rush to judgment." Again, I wish the best for Kobe if he is innocent.
pj was thinking magic or spurs.
howard signed with magic
actually scott, you're right.
I had forgotten his is less on the cap.
Interesting, is it worth the gamble if we can secure jax and speedy or jax and brown? Perhaps.
PJ Brown is not going to stiff us over $75,000- especially since the Tax Effect in San Antonio for a mid-level type contract is around 100-150K.
we don't know if he's unwilling to sign an offer sheet with UTAH because its not july 16th yet.
Some things to consider about Elton Brand:
Mike Dunleavey is going to be the Clippers head coach. Is this the signal to Brand they are trying to turn the corner on compe iveness? Will this entice Brand to stay?
The Clippers drafted two PFs, Wilcox and Eli, with lottery picks last season.
The Clippers used their lotto pick this year on another bust-to-be C, Kaman, and the 4/5 Snuffaluf us.
Do these youngsters make Brand expendable? If Brand is in the Clips future, maybe Wilcox or Eli can be had for some future draft picks and some cash?
Not a bad idea scott but Sterling is just an odd duck. He'll probably wait those rookie contracts out or just deal them for players currently on rookie deals.
Parker would be extremely attractive to him. I don't see anything outside of Parker that Sterling would want back from the Spurs in a sign and trade.
Without Kidd, I'd have to think that Parker would be as untouchable as a Spur (outside of Duncan) can be.
Of course our capspace is a moot point in trying to deal with LA, since they have plenty of their own.
Aside from a handful of future picks (which are all but assured to be late in the first round as long as Duncan is healthy) we really dont have anything to offer LA.
Can't hurt to try though.
Well, scrap scott's initial plan then.
Sorry Manny, if we sign Brown, there will be no money left to extend Brand a max offer sheet.
We would need Brown and Brand anyway.
Is this what this summer has come to?
Passing at offering a contract to Brand for fear of losing Brown?
Losing Brown to who?
I must remind you folks that the Spurs barely got past Kobe & Shaq this season. They are playing with Payton and Malone now.
Grip it up.
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