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Nope
As much of a dinosaur he is (a non three pointer shooter), he's still an elite level midrange player and slasher (a Kobe-lite type). He's the only one on our team that can get his own shot via isolation in the half court. The rest of our team is littered with three pointer shooters and hustle guys. You can't center offenses after role players and hustle guys.
Where would the Spurs be without Derozan? Who's available this offseason if we let Derozan walk? He has a good track record of being healthy and not toxic.
Nope
It will be difficult to score enough without Demar. And he has gobto moves that none of our young guys have yet, maybe White and DJ but still not as consistent.
Team is a lottery team without him for sure, bottom 6-8 seed with him
This team is near bottom of the league without him this year.
Spurs do not need DDR if they're planning on ever challenging for a deep run in the playoffs, especially in the Western Conference. If the Spurs are only looking to compete for a chance just to make the bottom half of playoffs every year and never really truly compete for a Championship, then yes, the Spurs need DDR.
Okay so why all the hoards of nephews on Spurstalk saying we need to get rid of him lol?
Not sure why that dude catches so much heat around here. He’ll be gone next year.
DeRozan's problem is his playstyle is erratic. For a few games, he wants to be a ballhog. Then the next few games, he wants to be a distributor and only try to score his points when its crunch time. When he's the latter, it makes the team THAT much better.
Of course Spurs need him more than he needs the Spurs. Where would the points come from if he isn’t on the team?
Young guys start becoming aggressive without him... see White, Lonnie.
With that said I'm torn on DeMar. I'm fine with him coming back but only at a reasonable price. If he is gone, I won't cry about it.
Hayward got the bag... you can only assume it's starting at 120/4 years minimum.
Its a balance between short term and long term. Short term he keeps us floating near some bottom playoff seeding. Long term it stunts some growth and reps from young guys (keldon playing pf, lonnie less chances, vassel less minutes. Etc)
the key is to transition from where we are now. To a contender. Best way is if can get derozan for lower price. Sign new talented guy (lauri, collins) and slowly transition the load to younger guys.
but if a diff team gives him max. Then we will just be forced to transition faster (and allows us to sign 2 guys)
3rd option is to get what we can at the deadline
DeRozan is an invaluable player and sometimes plays at an all-star level. That said, if we could flip him at the deadline for draft picks and / or young building blocks to a contender looking to make a playoff push, I’d do it in a heartbeat. He’ll be gone by next year anyway.
Aggressively trade him while you can is the way to go.
Spurs would be lottery bound if he was gone for nothing. There is this weird theory that losing him would be an addition by subtraction. It's based on zero evidence. In saying that, Spurs could be a better team if DDR was traded for a better fit. But I could say the same for trading away Murray, Gay, or LMA.
If you’re not gonna resign him, which is fine, then you better trade him before the deadline and get a young talent and a pick for him. If that happens then the Spurs won’t have a go to scorer who can create or get to the line.
If the Spurs want to offer Collins a max, then DDR would have to take a very steep discount, like low 20mil per year. If the Spurs are targeting someone else, then DDR will command but settle less than Hayward money.
Collins doesn't have me convinced at all. I would rather the Spurs go for Holmes + JA.
if we get Collins we shouldn't keep DeRozan. The defense would be catastrophic with that forward combo
I don't think his offense would be too difficult to replace in the long-term tbh.
This guy gets it...and there's an article floating around somewhere showing that advanced metrics indicate Spurs play better with him off the floor...but I guess everyone is enamored with stats instead of impact...it sickens me to see how we celebrate and want to build around him because he helped us win a tight game vs some 9f the worst teams in the league...we have a decade of history on who this guy is, yet Spurs fans still get fooled...I don't wanna become the magic of the west...just happy to make the playoffs
Ppl said that about the thunder if they got rid of westbrook
Murray has taken a step up offensively. White can absorb a more primary role. Keldon is still just a second year player. Bring in a FA like Collins and you’ll have enough offense
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