Reply With Quote
Slow NBA news month in full effect
https://www.kens5.com/amp/article/sp...9-123b9c6e2c62
Nothing wrong with picking Chet or saying wemby has to improve certain area, but Murphy III is strongly implying wemby is soft.
Slow NBA news month in full effect
Ridiculous. Chet is shorter, just as thin, and has done nothing except suffer a catastrophic injury. Wemby also dominated him H2H in FIBA.
I don't have problem with anything he said, Wemby is indeed soft right now and very a work in progress
Chet has become kind of a thing, the cool contrarian opinion.
Bulletin board material
Victor is also not "over 7'5" like Murphy claims
I hope Chet has a great season. I don't see a generational talent in him. Could be a very good to great player. Or less.
Defensively, Wemby is an alien. Truly elite, if not, generational talent on that side of the ball. Wemby's fluidity, extension and timing are better in what I've seen of the two.
7'3.5" wingspan vs 8" wingspan
Wemby looks stronger than Chet to me. Kind of like Duncan in that regard. Country strong.
In two years, when Wemby is Chet's current age, this will likely be a laughable comparison.
Here's to the boring-ass dog days of the NBA.
Funny, I just remember Tre Murphy saying Victor was going to be a game changer defensively right out of the gate, at draft night.
Is Chet more polished? Yes, in that he's closer to his potential. Victor has all the talent in the world, but he still has to figure out plenty of things before we know what he can become.
Is Chet a better shooter? Undoubtedly. Again, Victor has potential as a shooter but Chet is already at 40% from 3, we can only hope Victor comes close to that (I'll settle for league average).
Does Chet play a more physical style? Yes, he's in the paint a lot and gets thrown around like a rag doll, and he still has to play his first NBA game even though he was drafted a year ago, because of injury. I don't want Wemby to play that game, he can play with reckless abandon in a few select times, but most times he should be played more conservatively. It will be best for him and us in the long run.
All in all, I'm not outraged by Tre Murphy's statements. Personally I think has a great chance at ROY if he remains healthy and OKC makes the playoffs. I'm more interested in where they'll stand a decade from now, and that's a different story.
Let's hope for about 15 years of bull stories and comparisons about our Wemby during every off season. Stir the pot. Keep the conversations going. It's all good.
When Victor Wembanyama has an all-nba season, it's gonna be fun having all these threads to come back to
Until they play the games, nobody really knows. I think Wemby will be fine, but most players taken in the first round don’t make it in the league 5 years. Talent does not always mean success in the NBA. I just think that if the kid has the talent, one of the best places for him to develop it into a star is in San Antonio in an organization that has done more with less talented players.
lol who the is trey Murphy III, who the asked? Might as well ask Moses Moody if Victor is going to be a bust.
Do we have Tre Mann's opinion in yet, too? Anyone know? Waiting to exhale over here.
#1 picks have an infinitesimally small bust rate. They’re not normal or ordinary FRPs.
Screw this stuff, just put your head down and go to work. I am pretty sure that is what is going on with the Spurs organization. Since, Wemby hasn't been in a true NBA game yet, the crows on the line are going to make a lot of noise. They are jealous of the attention the guy has gotten and want to talk sh*t for now. Go to work and they will be saying how they knew how great Wemby wasn going to be all along.
Who?
The guy we should have picked over Primo. In all honesty I wanted Sengun, but he'd be great on the Spurs.
gives a
I interrupted a perfectly good nap for this. Dammit.
Lacking strength isn't the same as being soft. Wemby is extremely tough and compe ive. It shows in the H2H domination he had of Chet a couple of years back and the French playoffs run he just had. Those games were tougher than anything Chet or this Murphy guy ever played on their lives.
These guys are going to have dozens of head to head matchups in the coming years. Can we stop just pointing to one international U19 game as meaningful evidence?
Was anyone else wondering if DJ had a kid who finally got old enough to figure out how to troll online?
The voice of the New Orleans Pelicans because Zion is am embarrassment and Ingram is always stoned.
Was curious about this, and was interested in a Saturday morning research project, so I looked it up going back to 1990.
Year Player Years Played WS VORP VORP Rank Highest VORP Bust? 1990 Derrick Coleman 15 64.3 22.3 3 Gary Payton No 1991 Larry Johnson 10 69.7 22.0 4 Dikembe Mutombo No 1992 Shaquille O'Neal 19 181.7 75.5 1 Shaq No 1993 Chris Webber 15 84.7 42.1 1 Webber No 1994 Glenn Robinson 11 39.8 13.5 7 Jason Kidd No 1995 Joe Smith 16 60.3 3.0 15 Kevin Garnett No 1996 Allen Iverson 14 99.0 49.6 3 Kobe Bryant No 1997 Tim Duncan 19 206.4 91.1 1 Timmy No 1998 Michael Olowokandi 9 2.5 -8.5 56 Dirk Nowitzki Yes 1999 Elton Brand 17 109.6 37.3 5 Shawn Marion/Manu (Tie) No 2000 Kenyon Martin 15 48 12.1 5 Michael Redd No 2001 Kwame Brown 12 20.8 -1.3 45 Pau Gasol (TP9 is #2) Yes? 2002 Yao Ming 8 65.9 20.7 3 Carlos Boozer No 2003 Lebron James 20 255.1 146.6 1 Lebron No 2004 Dwight Howard 18 141.7 39.0 2 Andre Iguodala No 2005 Andrew Bogut 14 50.6 16.0 6 Chris Paul No 2006 Andrea Bargnani 10 18.9 1.5 17 Kyle Lowry Maybe? 2007 Greg Oden 3 7.3 0.8 23 Kevin Durant Yes 2008 Derrick Rose 14 44.2 18.3 8 Russell Westbrook No 2009 Blake Griffin 13 81.1 32.8 3 James Harden No 2010 John Wall 11 44.5 24.1 2 Paul George No 2011 Kyrie Irving 12 79.4 37.6 3 Jimmy Butler (Nephew #2) No 2012 Anthony Davis 11 100.3 46.1 2 Dame Lillard No 2013 Anthony Bennett 4 0.5 -1.3 50 GIannis Antetokounmpo Yes 2014 Andrew Wiggins 9 26.3 3.0 18 Nikola Jokic Maybe? 2015 Karl Anthony Towns 8 68.7 29.5 1 Towns No 2016 Ben Simmons 5 32.6 14.2 3 Sabonis No? 2017 Markelle Fultz 6 7.2 1.2 18 Jason Tatum Maybe? 2018 Deandre Ayton 5 30.9 7.2 7 Luka Doncic No 2019 Zion Williamson 3 14.2 6.6 2 Ja Morant No 2020 Anthony Edwards 3 8.9 4.1 4 Tyrese Haliburton No
So at most, I count only 5 busts in 31 years. That's pretty good. With that said, the #1 pick only ends up with the highest VORP 5 times as well, and 3 of them were truly generational, no brainer pick, talents in Shaq, Timmy and Lebron
To determine if a player was a bust or not, it was a rather subjective choice to say yes or no based on their year's played, career WS and VORP. Let me know if you disagree.
Interestingly, I did not realize how close Dirk was to Tim in terms of career WS and VORP. Dirk's were 206.3 and 84.8, respectively. Only Lebron is higher. This is largely a function of longevity though.
Was surprised that James Harden has a higher WS and VORP than Steph Curry (128/65.6) - which makes me question those metrics more than anything else tbh.
Anthony Bennett had the 50th worst VORP of the 2013 draft... this actually makes him sound better than he is. Only 51 players ever made the NBA from that draft. Ben McLemore is the only player worst from that draft.
Well, the theory is that Wemby falls in that category.
Has there ever been a guy so hyped as the #1 pick that didn't pan out? Off the top of my head, I can't think of one.
Ingram is always very high
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
