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    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    The Spurs have taken the youngest team in the NBA, made them a year older and more experienced, added a generational-talent seven footer and...gotten worse than they were last season.

    What a year.

    I guess everyone is ready for another lottery pick, so why rock the boat? Because that boat will he in Seattle in five years or Victor will take his talents to anywhere but South Texas.

    How to salvage the season? Easy. This assumes someone tells the Spurs to stop freezing out the best player on the team. Doesn't matter who plays point guard. Doesn't matter who starts. If the Spurs do these things they will find themselves with a chance to win nearly every game.

    1. Draw fouls
    The Spurs lead the league in pump fakes and acrobatic moves under the basket that rim out. They need to be told to stop avoiding contact. Go up strong. Go into defenders and get whistles. Go for dunks.

    2. Sprint back on defense
    Every possession somebody goes for a steal in the backcourt or pesters the dribbler. Dozens of times nobody picks up the man with the ball on the break. The Spurs need to get into their court and get set up early. NBA basketball is all about finding a soft spot in the defense. Eliminate that one.

    3. Defend the three point line
    Defend it to a fault. Giving up 20 dunks in the paint is better than giving up 14 three pointers. Don't double, don't sag, don't leave your man if he's at the perimeter. You have the best shot blocker in the league down in the paint. He doesn't need your help. Let teams take their chances. No open jumpers.

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    I never get why a simple drive to the basket from the opposing team causes this team to collapse like a dying star and leave 3 point shooters open time after time especially when you have Wemby in the middle. Every ing team becomes a collective Steph Curry against us.

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    I never get why a simple drive to the basket from the opposing team causes this team to collapse like a dying star and leave 3 point shooters open time after time especially when you have Wemby in the middle. Every ing team becomes a collective Steph Curry against us.
    I think there is some kind of scheme they are trying to run that involves dropping a defender to help around the rim and then rotating, but they’re just really bad at executing it. Maybe Pop figures eventually they’ll figure it out, or maybe they just have the wrong players to execute it.

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    Rim attempts have the highest points per possesion. The best defensive teams limit rim attempts first. They just don't have the personnel on defense. This is an audition so they either get good at recovering or get weeded out.

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    Yup.

    This ain't hard...unless you make it so. Or, just too lazy to give a F and quit coaching cuz being a social justice warrior is just so much more fun.

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    3. Defend the three point line
    Defend it to a fault. Giving up 20 dunks in the paint is better than giving up 14 three pointers. Don't double, don't sag, don't leave your man if he's at the perimeter. You have the best shot blocker in the league down in the paint. He doesn't need your help. Let teams take their chances. No open jumpers.
    I have no idea why no one sees this. There are guys that have hit 3 or 4 open 3s and their assignments continue to double the paint

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    Rim attempts have the highest points per possesion. The best defensive teams limit rim attempts first. They just don't have the personnel on defense. This is an audition so they either get good at recovering or get weeded out.
    Accepting this as a rule, what does a guard cheating down 8 feet toward the paint accomplish? They aren't blocking the shot. They aren't even challenging the shot. They could theoretically get a deflection or a steal, but usually two of the three guys cheating down aren't even in reach of the ball.

    If allowing teams to shoot undefended three pointers were an effective way to limit rim attempts, everyone would be succeeding with the Spurs' strategy, including the Spurs.

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    I have no idea why no one sees this. There are guys that have hit 3 or 4 open 3s and their assignments continue to double the paint
    I've seen nearly a dozen games so far where the Spurs keep leaving teams open until someone finally gets hot and then the floodgates open. Many times, it's how those double digit leads evaporate. A team is cold but they keep getting uncontested looks until they can zero in.

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    It's funny because this is such basic level strategy for the modern NBA but it's 100% true. Pop is coaching like it's 2007 and the scheme is to make the opposing team bet them from 3, which every single team does basically every night

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    Spurs fan is best fan when it comes to thinking they know more than the coaches in a low information environment.

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    Spurs fan is best fan when it comes to thinking they know more than the coaches in a low information environment.
    counterpoint Spurs fan thought Bryn Forbes sucked and playing Matt Bonner and Dejuan Blair together was a terrible idea.

    also, low information Spurs fan submits the teams record of 4-21 as evidence that the coaching staff isn’t accomplishing the goal of winning games and perhaps strategies need to be changed.

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    counterpoint Spurs fan thought Bryn Forbes sucked and playing Matt Bonner and Dejuan Blair together was a terrible idea.

    also, low information Spurs fan submits the teams record of 4-21 as evidence that the coaching staff isn’t accomplishing the goal of winning games and perhaps strategies need to be changed.
    What do the Spurs work on in practice?

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    Pop is literally acting like it is 80s ball and that daring people to beat you from 3 will win more often than not.

    Fire Pop immediately.

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    What do the Spurs work on in practice?
    whatever the Spurs are working on in practice is not working in the games and they need to work on something else. As proof I offer their 4-21 record. What do you have?

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    whatever the Spurs are working on in practice is not working in the games and they need to work on something else. As proof I offer their 4-21 record. What do you have?
    Oh I know the backdoor logic that let's you fill in the gaps. I am in the same environment. I just don't pretend to know what the problem is.

    Nice scapegoating though.

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    Oh I know the backdoor logic that let's you fill in the gaps. I am in the same environment. I just don't pretend to know what the problem is.

    Nice scapegoating though.
    The problem is simple enough. There's an extreme lack of NBA level talent on an NBA team coupled with a HOF coach who is free to experiment for a season it seems. The "diamond in the rough" concept only works on diamonds, not on just any rock you find.

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    The problem is simple enough. There's an extreme lack of NBA level talent on an NBA team coupled with a HOF coach who is free to experiment for a season it seems. The "diamond in the rough" concept only works on diamonds, not on just any rock you find.
    I think I should have said "why the problem" as opposed to "what." The knee jerk 'fire the manager' of fans seems more biting off of the nose to spite the face than usual.

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    I think I should have said "why the problem" as opposed to "what." The knee jerk 'fire the manager' of fans seems more biting off of the nose to spite the face than usual.
    I don't know if the Spurs have done all they can do to find and acquire talent to give Victor the best chance at success. It seems instead they have a group of guys trying to land an NBA contract as individuals instead of a team. You see this same thing on many young teams in the league, no cohesion or trust. The Spurs always brought in guys who were glue guys, some solid vets who knew the ropes and had team chemistry in mind. I don't see a leader on the floor now. I don't even know if these guys like each other off the court.

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    I don't know if the Spurs have done all they can do to find and acquire talent to give Victor the best chance at success. It seems instead they have a group of guys trying to land an NBA contract as individuals instead of a team. You see this same thing on many young teams in the league, no cohesion or trust. The Spurs always brought in guys who were glue guys, some solid vets who knew the ropes and had team chemistry in mind. I don't see a leader on the floor now. I don't even know if these guys like each other off the court.
    In what sense? I agree that they are not maximizing this season. I never got the notion that they were aiming to contend for anything this season. We are low information here as well.

    Skepticism makes a whole lot of sense but this board is full of white knights certain they know the solution. Humans are hilarious.

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    In what sense? I agree that they are not maximizing this season. I never got the notion that they were aiming to contend for anything this season. We are low information here as well.

    Skepticism makes a whole lot of sense but this board is full of white knights certain they know the solution. Humans are hilarious.
    It's a sports forum for fans of the team. What did you expect?

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    Also Vassell, Collins, and Johnson all have their contracts. Sochan is the one that is sacrificing. I don't see his issue as selfishness.

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    It's a sports forum for fans of the team. What did you expect?
    To be entertained by it and I have been.

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    It’s amazing how every team has a franchise day in 3 pointers made against our guys…

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    I would be curious to know what what our rate of transition threes per games is compared to the rest of the league.

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    I would be curious to know what what our rate of transition threes per games is compared to the rest of the league.
    It seems by design. Pop has to know these guys will get murdered against a set defense. I cannot believe he green lights these otherwise.

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