Both are great prospects but curious to hear from those that have seen a decent amount of both.
Flagg is a Tatum level star
Harper has a range to become a Cade level star to a JDub level star. Folks are saying Harden but to shoot as well as Harden does, Harper has a LONG way to go
Everyone after Harper has questions of whether they can become a star or not. Harper and Flagg both have “definite” s om tagged to them.
The gap between Harper’s max potential and current Giannis is big though
Tatum in his 4th year: 26.4/7.4/4.3 on 46/38/87
Cade in his 4th year: 26.1/6.1/9.1 on 47/36/85
Just saying...
Also, Cade's defense is still questionable, Harper's passes the eye test, we can't know for certain until we see him in the NBA.
So is everyone's because peak Giannis has a top10 player ever case if we're talking just basketball ability.The gap between Harper’s max potential and current Giannis is big though
The gap in the asking price is also big because anyone thinking Giannis wouldn't cost either both Harper and Castle with a couple more picks or Harper and a haul of picks is delusional.
Before the lottery we were considering all the playmakers in the draft because we needed a backup PG for the future.
Harper is definitely overqualified for the job, but we shouldn't overthink it.
Listen to everyone's offers, would be dumb not to and teams are certainly already calling, but unless it's a big overpay, I think we'll see Harper in Spurs uniform.
And to get to the subtext of what your asking: no, Dallas isnt taking Harper over Cooper.
Flagg has perfect fit for Spurs. Harper would require some thinking to fit him, Castle, Fox, Vassell.
Do you think there is a world where Mavs & Spurs make that trade happen? Since both of them fit a lot better with the other team. What would Spurs need to give up?
The gap is big, but I don't think it's "Castle" big. I would add stuff to trade up because Flagg is a better fit, but I would be happy just drafting Harper and not thinking twice about it.
Well Luka for young deal was just an extra first. If the mavs prefer Harper but want to maximize their return, I assume the cost would be their 2030 pick back and perhaps that ALT pick.
If they put that on the table we couldn't pass....
The Friendship coalition is expendable.
Yep... If we keep the pick we should expect to see Devin and Keldon moved this summer.
Part of the thinking process
How big is the gap between Cade Cunningham and Scottie Pippen?
Certainly Devin. Keldon is cheap, short term, and has already accepted a role.
I tried looking in at it in every possible way, but the Mavs are still ed, tbh.
#1 pick gets $11.5M in his first year.
They have their own '26, '31, '32 picks, '29 LAL.
'28 OKC swap, '29 HOU swap, '30 SAS swap.
Can't trade '26 because '27 is gone to CHA, top2 protected.
Kyrie is out for the year, Flagg is the player you always get, but there's no feasible way of getting some legit playmaking on that roster.
And even if they do, AD will inevitably get injured, Klay is washed and noone else is reliable.
Some solid young players in there, but you don't treadmill with AD.
They'll barely be under the second apron which is at $204M after they get Flagg. Kyrie's contract kills any hope of contending the next season.
If Mavs ownership had any reason in them, they'd fire Nico and get a new GM in, start fresh.
Trade AD and Klay and build the right way.
Nico will probably flip PJ Washington and someone else for a solid point guard, but that's going to last for a couple of seasons at the most and then what?
Flagg will be in the exact same situation Luka was in.
They could always poach CP.I tried looking in at it in every possible way, but the Mavs are still ed, tbh.
#1 pick gets $11.5M in his first year.
They have their own '26, '31, '32 picks, '29 LAL.
'28 OKC swap, '29 HOU swap, '30 SAS swap.
Can't trade '26 because '27 is gone to CHA, top2 protected.
Kyrie is out for the year, Flagg is the player you always get, but there's no feasible way of getting some legit playmaking on that roster.
And even if they do, AD will inevitably get injured, Klay is washed and noone else is reliable.
Some solid young players in there, but you don't treadmill with AD.
They'll barely be under the second apron which is at $204M after they get Flagg. Kyrie's contract kills any hope of contending the next season.
If Mavs ownership had any reason in them, they'd fire Nico and get a new GM in, start fresh.
Trade AD and Klay and build the right way.
Nico will probably flip PJ Washington and someone else for a solid point guard, but that's going to last for a couple of seasons at the most and then what?
Flagg will be in the exact same situation Luka was in.
Harper would be the #1 pick in the 2024 draft easily and maybe the 2022 draft, 2021 draft
Sure, as a backup.
But that team has no self-creation whatsoever, they need a high end starting PG.
Exactly...that's why I threw out the AD trade last night. It may or may not be a good deal for us, but the main point was that Dallas has to consider moving AD because his value is worth more to other teams than it is to Dallas because they're screwed either way.I tried looking in at it in every possible way, but the Mavs are still ed, tbh.
#1 pick gets $11.5M in his first year.
They have their own '26, '31, '32 picks, '29 LAL.
'28 OKC swap, '29 HOU swap, '30 SAS swap.
Can't trade '26 because '27 is gone to CHA, top2 protected.
Kyrie is out for the year, Flagg is the player you always get, but there's no feasible way of getting some legit playmaking on that roster.
And even if they do, AD will inevitably get injured, Klay is washed and noone else is reliable.
Some solid young players in there, but you don't treadmill with AD.
They'll barely be under the second apron which is at $204M after they get Flagg. Kyrie's contract kills any hope of contending the next season.
If Mavs ownership had any reason in them, they'd fire Nico and get a new GM in, start fresh.
Trade AD and Klay and build the right way.
Nico will probably flip PJ Washington and someone else for a solid point guard, but that's going to last for a couple of seasons at the most and then what?
Flagg will be in the exact same situation Luka was in.
So maybe, Dallas agree to a Flag for Harper if the Spurs find a way to take some of Irving or Klay’s contract off their plate giving them more room for the future.
You know how we talk about the difference between superstar players and franchise players? That's the difference.
Flagg is just a bigger stronger and more athletic player. That is always going to be the case. Harper has better handles. But if Flagg pretty much flops than I still can’t see him being worse than Franz Wagner. If he hits then I see him being a very solid all star level player. Neither are good enough to lead a team to a le but it is always better to build around a bigger player than a smaller player. But both of their games are very different. Harper really could be a player just like his dad. And that would make us a contender.
That's what I suggested last night. It would set us back a year, but it would be worth it.
#2, '30 swap returned, one more FRP, Devin and Barnes for #1 and Kyrie's expiring.
Who's a superstar and who's a franchise player?
If we're going with S+ tier Wemby is going to be in, I'd say that just Jokic and Giannis are in there right now, with SGA, Luka (if he gets fit again) and Tatum (pre-injury) being just below in S tier.
Flagg can get to that S tier eventually.
Oddly, the rookie of the year will probably be on the Jazz or the Hornets because the first three will have small roles on playoff teams.
I'm going with ceiling. Harper has a superstar ceiling. Flagg should have still been in high school doing what he did at Duke. He has a franchise player ceiling.
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