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total joke!
NRA/gun industry propaganda
no b/g checks, private sellers, gun shows, straw buyers, etc, etc, etc
100M with locks? are they locked? 300M+ guns in USA
total joke!
NRA/gun industry propaganda
no b/g checks, private sellers, gun shows, straw buyers, etc, etc, etc
100M with locks? are they locked? 300M+ guns in USA
Speaking of propaganda...more lies from Everytown for gun safetytotal joke!
NRA/gun industry propaganda
no b/g checks, private sellers, gun shows, straw buyers, etc, etc, etc
100M with locks? are they locked? 300M+ guns in USA
http://www.nssfblog.com/for-gun-cont...dard-practice/
Recently, we wrote a letter to the editor of USA Today to correct inaccuracies in an article about a new Everytown for Gun Safety “study”. In that study, the team at the Bloomberg-funded Everytown was following in the footsteps of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence in willfully misconstruing key facts.
At a June Brady Campaign Washington state rally, complete with props for television coverage intended to tug at heartstrings, the organization asserted that nine children die every day across the U.S. from gunshot wounds. While we agree that any accidental death is a genuine tragedy, the figure seemed high – and not just to us. And so our tale begins.
When asked about the number, the Brady Campaign said it was sourced from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) database, 2007-2011, at the same time revising the number downward by one.
It turns out, however, that an even more telling attempt to mislead was in play.
As Politifact reported, what the Brady Campaign neglected to mention is that the CDC’s data includes “children” aged 0-19. Important, but unnoted by the campaign, over half the accidental deaths were among 18 and 19 year olds. Additionally, approximately half the cases of unintentional injuries were also from 18 and 19 year olds. Politifact found that if this age group is removed from the calculation, the number of accidental deaths drops by 50 percent to 4 and the number of intentional injuries decreases to 5.
This discrepancy is significant. After all, those who are 18 can vote and join the military, which is hardly the province of “children” as most people define the term.
However, if one had attended the Brady Campaign rally, one would have no idea that the bulk of the data it was touting relied on including “children” who are legally young adults. And this is beside the fact that the CDC acknowledges its own data is inconsistent because the sample sizes are so small.
This misrepresentation is not a new development. The Clinton Administration made a habit of skewing the figures in the 1990s when it was campaigning to pass the Brady law, which mandated background checks and waiting periods for gun buyers. Celebrating the six-year anniversary of the law’s passage in 1999, President Clinton said ”over 32,000 Americans still lose their lives in gunfire every year, including 12 children every day,” a number unsupported by the CDC’s database
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The Brady Campaign’s recent rally is but one of the latest examples of an anti-gun organization misinterpreting the truth and misleading the public to advance its agenda. It marked the third time in a month that a gun control group has been caught doing this. The NSSF and the industry we represent are accustomed to witnessing such misleading exaggeration. It’s standard practice.
Project ChildSafe in partnership with NSSF, announces the second annual S.A.F.E Summer campaign, a part of Project ChildSafe’s ongoing program to emphasize the importance of responsible firearm storage — particularly while children are home from school and more likely to be unattended.
Each month, Project ChildSafe will recognize and spotlight local leaders nationwide who are promoting safety and making a difference in their community as the program turns its national message into local action. The firearm industry is promoting safe and responsible ownership through its network — reinforcing Project ChildSafe’s overarching message, “Own it? Respect It. Secure it,” — so that programs such as S.A.F.E. Summer serve as a reminder that proper firearm storage is the #1 way to prevent firearm accidents, theft and misuse.Our mission is to make the mantra “Own it? Respect it. Secure it.” second nature when talking about firearm safety. The S.A.F.E Summer initiative aims to emphasize the importance of safe and responsible storage in communities across the country.“S.A.F.E.” serves as an acronym for Store your firearms responsibly when not in use; Be Aware of those around you who should not have unauthorized access to guns; Focus on your responsibility as a firearm owner and Educate yourself and others about safe firearm handling and storage. The effort is focused on providing education and tools that helps gun owners take responsible action to keep their families and communities safer.NSSF launched Project ChildSafe in 1999 (prior to 2003 the program was called Project HomeSafe) as a nationwide initiative to promote firearms responsibility and provide safety education to all gun owners. Through partnerships with more than 15,000 law enforcement agencies, the program has provided more than 36 million free firearm safety kits to gun owners in all 50 states and five U.S. territories. That’s in addition to the more than 70 million free locking devices manufacturers have included with new firearms sold since 1998 and continue to do today.Project ChildSafe was originally supported by federal grants provided by the U.S. Department of Justice. Since 2008, when this funding was cut, the firearms manufacturing industry has solely funded the Project ChildSafe program through the members of NSSF.
"Project ChildSafe"
a HUGE success. kids don't kill kids, guns do!
I'd say less than 1.5% of accidental fatalities of children under 14 by firearm is pretty good actually. Considering there 100's of millions firearms in circulation. When are going to start railing against bathtubs? You know, for the children of course.
With all the accidental deaths by guns, and lib s wanting to outlaw them, I wonder when they will start wanting to outlaw cars? Aren't there far more accidental deaths by car, than by guns?
That's a terrible argument. Please delete from my thread.
LMAO. Yeah...get back in the car got. Even I'm not going to intrude on this ass whippin'.
I trust the safe gun owner much more than I trust sleepy, old, young, drunk drivers.
Yet we are fine with very limited checks on drivers. Drivers with massive amounts of momentum at their "control".
I don't like guns in my house. But if most gun owners are like Sanity, I'm much more comfortable.
Again, we take the most deadly vehicle accidents and treat them as ok because we as a nation have decided transportation trumps the loss of life. This is very curious. And yes, I almost got hit by an 18 wheeler today. I implore folks to be way ahead or behind these idiots now driving killer momentum. It's a serious problem. Pull these idiots over for sobriety tests often. I will wait in that line.
Bend over boutons, time for another slap.
The National Shooting Sports Foundation®, NSSF®, the trade association for the firearms and ammunition industry, represents federally licensed firearms manufacturers, distributors and retail dealers. Proponents of gun control have perpetuated the myth that there is a “gun show loophole” in current law.
Licensed retailers must follow the same regulations and procedures, including conducting criminal background checks, when conducting business at gun shows just as they would if at their store or other place of business.
Claim: There is a gun show “loophole.”
Fact: There is no gun show loophole.
Most of the vendors at gun shows — up to 75 percent — are licensed dealers.i If you are a licensed firearms dealer, you are allowed to sell at gun shows in your own state. However, all the same rules apply. You must run a federal background check on any individual you sell a firearm to through the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The same paperwork, recordkeeping, age restrictions, and other rules also apply, as if the sale occurred in the dealer’s place of business.
Further, only a small percentage of tables at gun shows, about 20 to 25 percent, actually sell firearms. The others sell books, accessories or other items.
Claim: The law allows unlicensed dealers to sell guns at gun shows.
Fact: Unlicensed dealers are criminals.
It is true that a background check and other regulations do not apply if you are an individual that wishes to occasionally sell a firearm from your personal collection in a private transaction. This bright line is clearly delineated in current law. If an individual is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms, they must be licensed. This is defined as, “a person who devotes time, attention and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repe ive purchase and resale of firearms.”ii Under existing law, unlicensed dealers that fit this description and sell firearms at gun shows (or anywhere else) are breaking the law.
In practice, federal law is just the floor of restrictions on gun shows. Many gun show promoters require that all vendors leasing space at a show, including private parties, must agree to run background checks, regardless of whether they hold federal licenses or not. The vast majority of guns sold at gun shows go through federal background checks.
Further, in several states there is another layer of regulation as some states require background checks as part of all private firearms transactions. Background checks for private firearm sales are required in seventeen states.
Claim: Criminals get their guns at gun shows.
Fact: According to a November 2001 study by the U.S. Department of Justice of state and prison inmates, less than one percent (0.7) of criminals that possessed a firearm during their current offense acquired their guns from gun shows.iii By contrast, nearly 40 percent reported acquiring their guns illegally, such as by theft.
This is unsurprising when considering that other research suggests that while imposing additional gun show regulations does reduce the number of gun shows in a state, there is no evidence these laws reduce violent crime. In fact, there is some evidence that it is associated with an increase in murder and robbery rates.iv
More recently, a University of Maryland and National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) study in 2008 found that there is “no evidence that gun shows lead to increases in either gun homicides or suicides.” The study also found that “tighter regulation of gun shows does not appear to reduce the number of firearms-related deaths.”v
Gun control advocates often point to a 1999 study by the U.S. Justice and Treasury departments as evidence of widespread purchases of guns at gun shows by felons.vi This study, and other similar research, has been deliberately misused by gun control proponents to imply that criminals get their guns at gun shows. This is misleading, as the study only considers cases of criminal behavior related to gun shows that were already under investigation by the ATF. This is analogous to finding higher rates of food poisoning from restaurants that are being investigated for poor food safety practices, and saying the results are true for all restaurants in the country.
What this study does show is that criminals are illegally selling to criminals. More than half of the investigations reviewed involved individuals engaging in the business without a license – a clear violation of existing law. It also found that felons were buying or selling firearms in more than 46 percent of the investigations, also against the law.vii
Claim: The firearms industry doesn’t support background checks at gun shows.
Fact: While there is nothing you can do inside a gun show that you can’t do outside a gun show, the firearms industry has never opposed instant background checks at these events. The reason why this has not come to pass is that anti-gun legislators do not support an instant check.
They, along with the gun-ban lobby, have tried to incorporate waiting periods for all buyers at gun shows. Such an action is not only unnecessary, as the FBI National Instant Check System would require only seconds to conduct a federal background check, but must be considered a de facto ban of all gun shows, as implementing a five-day waiting period for a two-day gun show is impossible.
i U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, “Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces,” January 1999. p.4 http://www.atf.gov/publications/ download/treas/treas-gun-shows-brady-checks-and- crime-gun-traces.pdf
ii 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(11)(A) iii Caroline Wolf Harlow, Department of Justice, Bureau
of Justice Statistics Special Report, “Firearm Use by Offenders: Survey of Inmates in State and Federal Correctional Facilities,” NCJ 189369, November 2001. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf
iv John R. Lott, Jr., More Guns Less Crime: Under- standing Crime and Gun Control Laws, Third Edition. Chicago and London: The University of Chicago Press, 2010. pp.329-330
v Mark Duggan, Randi Hjalmarsson, Brian A. Jacob, ”The Effect of Gun Shows on Gun-Related Deaths: Evidence from California and Texas,” September 2008. p. 1 http://closup.umich.edu/research/work- ingpapers/oldpapers/gunshows-sept08-final.pdf
vi U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, “Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces,”
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January 1999. p.7 http://www.atf.gov/publications/ download/treas/treas-gun-shows-brady-checks-and- crime-gun-traces.pdf
vii U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, “Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces,” January 1999. p.7-8 http://www.atf.gov/publications/ download/treas/treas-gun-shows-brady-checks-and- crime-gun-traces.pdf
"Most of the vendors at gun shows — up to 75 percent"
"anti-gun legislators do not support an instant check." ???
and quoting the DoJ do ents as if DoJ (and all of govt) weren't:
prevented from having a computerized gun tracking system,
prevented from EVEN JUST studying gun violence.
(AZ) prevent amnestied/surrendered guns from being destroyed?
so since gun regs are so restrictive and so religiously respected and enforced, how did all the "bad guys" get Ms of guns?
The entire NRA/gun-industry strategy is SELL GUNS AND AMMO without EFFECTIVE limit.
Allow guns for ALL bad guys so the paranoid, suckered good guys will buys multiple guns to defend themselves.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 07-20-2014 at 10:48 AM.
Has Sanity ever been to a gunshow where arms and ammunition were being sold outside the show?
If so did he inform anyone?
The whole safe/bedside/safe/bedside shtick is weird to me. I just wouldn't want to incorporate paranoia into my daily routine.
Different strokes.
Never seen that outside a gun show but I've only been to a few, not really my crowd. Have you been to one and seen what you are asking?
its called being responsible.
Yep.
But that was a while back. I went with a friend. Asked what we should do, he said leave it.
Strange group, never went back. Way too many survivalist types. Still have no idea how that is
dealt with. My friend has a bunch of guns but he really goes to see the people.
i am not talking about the safety aspect. I am talking about having those thoughts as part of one's daily routine. It could just as easily be called living in fear.
Only show I've been to is in Del Mar, CA. Really nice part of San Diego and its still an "interesting" crowd. I can only imagine the crowd gets more interesting in the Midwest/Southern gun shows.
I get in my car and put my seatbelt on every day. I do not live in fear of dying in a car accident, do you?
That's the law.
And I don't think about shooting someone every day. You have to. You make yourself. I will never live that way.
You could say the same about locking your doors, having an alarm system. If someone fastens their seatbelt are they driving in fear?
Not to the point of planning on shooting to kill someone, no.
The seat belt comparison is almost as bad as WC's car argument. No one in the history of humankind could ever reasonably make the statement "I feel less safe with a seat belt on me." People don't accidentally kill people with seat belts.
If you feel more protected with a gun, that's fine. Plenty of people don't feel safer with a gun in the home, and that's fine too.
Last edited by Spurminator; 07-20-2014 at 08:15 PM.
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