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Iran is saber-rattling.
Any self-respecting country with the resources would rattle their sabres after being threatened by dubya, "nothing is off the table", and after the example of Iraq, where dubya invaded in spite of NO saber rattling by Saddam.
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
27 minutes ago
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran said Wednesday it has successfully test-fired a "top secret" missile, the third in a week, state-run television reported.
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The report called the missile an "ultra-horizon" weapon and said it could be fired from all military helicopters and jet fighters.
The tests came amid war games being held since Friday by the elite Revolutionary Guards in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea at a time of increased tension with the United States over Tehran's nuclear program.
Iranian television called it a "turning point" in its missile tests but gave no other details.
At the same time, the head of the Revolutionary Guards, Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi, said the United States must recognize Iran as a "big, regional power."
Speaking on state television, Safavi said Iran could use the Straits of Hormuz to apply pressure on foreign powers. About two-fifths of the world's oil supplies pass through the 34-mile-wide entrance to the Gulf.
"The Straits of Hormuz are a point of control and economic pressure on the energy transfer route for those foreign powers that might want to undermine regional security," Safavi said.
He reiterated that Iran could defend itself against any invasion and added: "I advise Americans not to move toward a military strike against Iran."
On Tuesday, Safavi called for foreign forces to leave the region. The U.S. 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain.
That same day, Iran tested a new surface-to-sea radar-avoiding missile equipped with remote-control and searching systems, state TV reported. It said the new missile, called Kowsar, was a medium-range weapon that Iran could mass-produce.
It also said the Kowsar's guidance system could not be scrambled, and it had been designed to sink ships.
On Friday, Iran tested the Fajr-3, a missile that it said can avoid radar and hit several targets simultaneously using multiple warheads. Iran also has tested what it calls two new torpedoes.
One of the torpedoes, unveiled Monday, was tested in the Straits of Hormuz. That seemed to be a clear warning to the United States that Iran believes it has the capability to disable oil tankers moving through the Gulf.
The Revolutionary Guards have been holding their maneuvers — code-named the "Great Prophet" — since Friday.
Some military analysts in Moscow said it appears the high-speed torpedoes likely were Russian-built weapons that may have been acquired from China or Kyrgyzstan.
Others have questioned their capabilities of evading advanced radar systems such as those in Israel.
The United States said Monday that while Iran may have made "some strides" in its military, it likely is exaggerating its capabilities.
"We know that the Iranians are always trying to improve their weapons system by both foreign and indigenous measures," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said. "It's possible that they are increasing their capability and making strides in radar-absorbing materials and technology."
But "the Iranians have also been known to boast and exaggerate their statements about greater technical and tactical capabilities," he said.
Safavi on Wednesday rejected the U.S. claims that Iran had exaggerated its capabilities.
"They tried to say what is related to our equipment was just a bluff. But we announce that the advanced equipment were based on a real and domestic industry," he said.
The U.N. Security Council has demanded Iran give up uranium enrichment, a crucial part of the nuclear process. Washington is pressing for sanctions if Tehran continues its refusal to do so, though U.S. officials have not ruled out military action as an eventual option, insisting they will not allow Iran to gain a nuclear arsenal.
On Tuesday, state TV also said the Revolutionary Guards had tested what it called a "super-modern flying boat" capable of evading radar.
The report showed the boat, looking like an aircraft, taking off from the sea and flying low over the water.
Iran has held war games for two decades to improve its combat readiness and test locally made equipment.
Iran launched an arms development program during its 1980-88 war with Iraq to compensate for a U.S. weapons embargo. Since 1992, Iran has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and a fighter plane.
Iran is saber-rattling.
Any self-respecting country with the resources would rattle their sabres after being threatened by dubya, "nothing is off the table", and after the example of Iraq, where dubya invaded in spite of NO saber rattling by Saddam.
Iran's Navy and Air Force is about to be a pile of smoking debris anyway...
Dumb mother ers.
What are they going to do now, they cleaned out their arsenal showing off.
But why worry, the Liberals will handled everything in a timely manner, like the
Illegal problem. Or all the attacks before 9/11. Right boutons and Dan.
Cleaned out their arsenal? You guys said they were supposed to have nukes by the end of last week.
Yeah, but you convinced me otherwise, our intelligence is always wrong,
and you are right. We can sit this one out. Right boutons and Dan?
But that means you agree with the latest estimate.Yeah, but you convinced me otherwise, our intelligence is always wrong
If you say so.
which happens to ignore the possibility that a nuke can be 'given' to them by N. Korea, Pakistan, China, or even a stray from the former Soviet Union (stolen from less-than-adequately-protected silos)....
The fact remains... Iran's motives, display of aggression, and deep hatred towards Israel don't mix well with the above possibility.
Iran is going down!
The real question is how much will this new war cost and will tax payers stomach it.
So why aren't we invading all those places?which happens to ignore the possibility that a nuke can be 'given' to them by N. Korea, Pakistan, China, or even a stray from the former Soviet Union (stolen from less-than-adequately-protected silos)....
That was quick ownage by Chump.
Chump, you rule.
Oh, and I love how countries are giving away nukes casually now. Thats rich.
Quick worship by E20 and MannyisPutaMadre.
But if you haven't wondered why we cant do anything about the soviets and the Nkoreans then you are a big dumbass.
Please elighten me then.
I was simply making a point that Iranians don't have to enrich their own uranium if they can obtain nukes from other radical groups who might not actually have the 'balls' to use them. Iran's actions have shown that it wants nuclear capability, and at this point it would appear that they intend to use their arsenal.
Oh... if you're going to attack someone... at least bring some substance to the table instead of hinging your own inep udes on someone else's points.
BTW how was that quick??? Chump's response was posted almost 4 hours later when I wasn't even around to discuss....
Last edited by hegamboa; 04-06-2006 at 09:10 AM.
I recommend you watch 'Lord of War' if you haven't already seen it.... I know it's Hollywood, but at least it gives one a glimpse of the crudeness behind the 'arms trafficking' world. To think that no one could get their hands on a nuke if they really wanted it is crazy. Iran has money, lots of it... as they possess huge reserves of 'black gold'...... if the price is right.... who knows, that's why I said, '[the estimate] ignores the possibility that...'
On this particular subject there is no point in speaking in complete absolutes... I thought I conveyed that well enough.
How do you know we haven't or have? Chump!
I think the invasion of China would've had a graphic intro with music on Fox News by now.The entire point of having nuclear weapons is to appear that you are going to use them to get leverage in whatever your foreign policy might be. Why do you think Bush always plays the "all options are open" card? Don't you think other countries might want to be able to play that card as well?I was simply making a point that Iranians don't have to enrich their own uranium if they can obtain nukes from other radical groups who might not actually have the 'balls' to use them. Iran's actions have shown that it wants nuclear capability, and at this point it would appear that they intend to use their arsenal.
BTW, if you think Iran is more likely to use nukes than NK, you are as crazy as lil Kim. And any large-scale conflict with India would lead to Pakistan's using nukes, which would lead to India's using nukes, which would lead to-- see what I'm talking about?
We've already invaded and occupied one country on a hunch that it might get nukes in ten years. We were lucky Iraq already had two hands tied behind it's back. Tell me what you are getting at with Iran since you are cranking up the fear machine again. Do you want to invade?
Yes or no.
Regarding Iran getting nukes, shouldn't Israel be evn more concerned about this than us? Unless Castro or Chavez allows Iran to have maneuvers in their countries, Israel has more to lose than us do they not?
link to long blog article
This is an interesting read. Hans Blix who has a better track record that the current occupant in the White House says Iran is three to five years from having the bomb. That gives us more time than rushing in there this summer.
Also, buried within the article is a mention of some U.S. intellignence failures regarding Iran.
Have an appointment to get to, have to cut this short for now.
Neither of my posts implies I've have taken a side or made a decision on invasion. I'm simply noting the increased tensions between Iran and the western world... and that yes... Iran is willing to leverage with nukes if it could.
Again, there's no reason to be dealing with absolutes at this point... I don't dictate policy. Which brings me to the following point - really a given: No matter what the administration decides to do (the ones that do dictate said policy) they know they won't please everyone...
Well, Russia has at least tacitly worked with us on the whole terrorism thing...So why aren't we invading all those places?
North Korea will never do squat - Kim Jong Il is a crazy man, but he's also got a growing economic power next door in China that would beat the crap out of him if he did anything to jeopardize their growth.
i read that bush wants to re-allocated all the resources and nuke bombs to one facility, and wants to build 122 nukes a year to replace the current ones untill 2014-2020 or sum .
Dude is a nuttcase.
Ehhh I don't look at the differences in time. I looked how many posts the thread had.Please elighten me then.
I was simply making a point that Iranians don't have to enrich their own uranium if they can obtain nukes from other radical groups who might not actually have the 'balls' to use them. Iran's actions have shown that it wants nuclear capability, and at this point it would appear that they intend to use their arsenal.
Oh... if you're going to attack someone... at least bring some substance to the table instead of hinging your own inep udes on someone else's points.
BTW how was that quick??? Chump's response was posted almost 4 hours later when I wasn't even around to discuss....
LOL last night I flew a B2 simulator and was gonna Bomb the new Iran / Russian plant with a small nuke. But at 40,000 the engines stalled and I went into a flat spin. I recovered but figured in RL The plane would of broken up lol...
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