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Boy, you are really reaching, aren't you Dan.
If the gesture was so harmless then why doesn't the media release it?
This on-going Scalia saga in Boston about Scalia apparently giving an obscene Italian hand gesture to a news reporter in a Roman Catholic Church environs would be very funny, indeed, if were not so serious. Serious, that is, because of its source.BOSTON (AP) - Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, in a scathing letter to the editor of the Boston Herald, accused the newspaper's staff of watching "too many episodes of the Sopranos" for interpreting a hand gesture he made at a cathedral as obscene.
The Boston Herald reported Monday the justice made "an obscene gesture, flicking his hand under his chin" in response to a question about whether lawyers might question his impartiality in matters of church and state. The incident occurred after he attended Mass at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross.
But Scalia said in his letter the gesture is not obscene at all, but dismissive. Scalia said he had explained the gesture's meaning to no avail to the reporter, whom he referred to as "an up-and-coming 'gotcha' star."
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Scalia said in the letter, written to Executive Editor Kenneth Chandler, that the reporter leapt to conclusions that it was offensive because he initially explained his gesture by saying, 'That's Sicilian.'"
"From watching too many episodes of the Sopranos, your staff seems to have acquired the belief that any Sicilian gesture is obscene — especially when made by an 'Italian jurist.' (I am, by the way, an American jurist.)," he wrote.
This is not TV's The Sopranos!
Instead, this is about the mannerisms and demeanor of a sitting U.S. Supreme Court associate justice!
Boy, you are really reaching, aren't you Dan.
If it was that serious (and they actually had video of it) they would.If the gesture was so harmless then why doesn't the media release it?
What, did the Herald confer with an expert on Sicilian gestures? If anything the Boston Herald's out of line.
Scalia one nasty little mother er.
Here he is given legal interpretations in Switzerland based his son serving in Iraq:
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No Legal Rights for Enemy Combatants, Scalia Says
'War Is War,' Justice Tells Audience
Associated Press
Monday, March 27, 2006; A03
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia reportedly told an overseas audience this month that the Cons ution does not protect foreigners held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
He also told the audience at the University of Freiburg in Switzerland that he was "astounded" by the "hypocritical" reaction in Europe to the prison, this week's issue of Newsweek magazine reported.
The comments came just weeks before the justices are to take up an appeal from a detainee at Guantanamo Bay. The court will hear arguments tomorrow on Salim Ahmed Hamdan's assertion that President Bush overstepped his cons utional authority in ordering a military trial for the former driver of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Hamdan has been held at the prison for nearly four years.
Two years ago, the Supreme Court ruled that the detainees could use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. Scalia disagreed with that ruling, and in the recent speech repeated his beliefs that enemy combatants have no legal rights.
"War is war, and it has never been the case that when you captured a combatant you have to give them a jury trial in your civil courts," Newsweek quoted Scalia as saying. "Give me a break."
Scalia's dissent in the Rasul v. Bush case in 2004 said: "The consequence of this holding, as applied to aliens outside the country, is breathtaking. It permits an alien captured in a foreign theater of active combat to bring a pe ion against the secretary of defense. . . . Each detainee (at Guantanamo) undoubtedly has complaints -- real or contrived -- about those terms and cir stances. . . . From this point forward, federal courts will entertain pe ions from these prisoners, and others like them around the world, challenging actions and events far away, and forcing the courts to oversee one aspect of the executive's conduct of a foreign war."
Newsweek said Scalia was challenged by an audience member in Switzerland about whether Guantanamo Bay detainees have protection under the Geneva or human rights conventions.
Scalia replied: "If he was captured by my army on a battlefield, that is where he belongs. I had a son on that battlefield and they were shooting at my son, and I'm not about to give this man who was captured in a war a full jury trial. I mean it's crazy," Newsweek reported.
Scalia's son Matthew served in Iraq.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
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WTF does Scalia's son have to do with anything? Talk about a personally biased, activist judge!
According to the little guy,
the US Cons ution doesn't apply,
the Geneva Convention doesn't apply,
in a war, how is the enemy shooting at the US military "illegal" under US military law?
If Fox and Mexican Army invaded TX to grab it back like the US grabbed it from MX, would the NRA gun nuts be considered "illegal" under MX military law for shooting at the Mexican army?
That's what it's come down to for you Dan? Hand gestures?Must suck being a liberal these days.
Ahhh, bipartisanism at it's best.
Dan highlights Scalia's handgesture. Murphy, on another thread, picks on a Dem congresswomen allegedly shoving a police officer. It would never be the other way around (Murphy picking on a conservative and Dan on a libberal) becasue it's not the act that Dan and Murphy are critizicing, it's simply that that particular act was done by somebody whom they don't agree with intellectually .
It sure sucks being bipartisan.
BOSTON HEARLDDespite Scalia’s insistence that the Sicilian gesture was not offensive and had been incorrectly characterized by the Herald as obscene, the photographer said the newspaper "got the story right."
Smith said the jurist "immediately knew he’d made a mistake, and said, 'You’re not going to print that, are you?'"
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"The judge paused for a second, then looked directly into my lens and said, 'To my critics, I say, 'Vaffanculo,''" punctuating the comment by flicking his right hand out from under his chin, Smith said.
The Italian phrase means "(expletive) you."
Scmitva! and in the middle of of a Mass in a holy place.
BIPARTISAN!!!
You're a fake. Atleast NbaDunce is honest where he lies. But it's funny how you had to equate shoving with a hand gesture which wasnt obscene. Not only that, but it was not shoving but a punch to the chest. Be yourself and just admit what you are. A closet democrat homer with confidence issues.
go enculo yourself, you nasty little wop.
People make way too much of things that are absolute non-issues. A hand gesture by a judge in his private life is insignificant. I suspect that Justice Scalia has cursed before, too. Big f'n deal.
The bigger concern would seem to be Scalia stating his position on issues that may eventually find their way before the Court; judges shouldn't be offering opinions on legal issues that are still ripe for determination, but Justice Scalia apparently doesn't feel bound by that principle.
Wtf?go enculo yourself, you nasty little wop.
boutons, get your 11 year old brother off the keyboard.
gtown proves once again he is an idiot.BIPARTISAN!!!
You're a fake. Atleast NbaDunce is honest where he lies. But it's funny how you had to equate shoving with a hand gesture which wasnt obscene. Not only that, but it was not shoving but a punch to the chest. Be yourself and just admit what you are. A closet democrat homer with confidence issues.
My point is totally valid. You, as well as many others, are bipartisan. To some, no matter what Bush does, he is always right, and to others, no matter what Clinton did, he was always right. The examples I picked prove my point.
Me a closet Democrat?
I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I'm not American, ergo I don't vote. I simply take sides with Dems or Repubs depending on the issue 'cause I'm independant.
That hand gesture is not obsene. I happen to know for a fact that in Italy that hand gesture means something like "I don't know" or "beats me". It is at least one of the meanings, so he could be telling the truth
Immigrant-stock Scalia needs to integrate better into American life and stop using foreign cryptic hand jive. Could he not find the English words?
Why not just write his opinions in Italian, and Church Latin?
Seeing the tone of his reponse and his geneally pissed-off, aggressive style, I'd say that his gesture, from his hand, was negative, combative, insulting, condescending.
I believe it is also used here, with the added movement of your shoulders and lips, it's the famous "¿y yo que carajo sé?" or "¡ni puta idea!"
But in countries or zones with an Anglo-Saxon majority, they see hands and fingers gestures (specially so exaggereted as the Italians our ours) as bad manners.
that's right, its used here aswell, but I'm telling you I know for a fact that sign is used that way in Italy as well.I believe it is also used here, with the added movement of your shoulders and lips, it's the famous "¿y yo que carajo sé?" or "¡ni puta idea!"
But in countries or zones with an Anglo-Saxon majority, they see hands and fingers gestures (specially so exaggereted as the Italians our ours) as bad manners.
fugetabou ....
When this hand gesture is accompanied by a "Va fan culo" it does not mean what you and Manumania are implying it means.I believe it is also used here, with the added movement of your shoulders and lips, it's the famous "¿y yo que carajo sé?" or "¡ni puta idea!"
But in countries or zones with an Anglo-Saxon majority, they see hands and fingers gestures (specially so exaggereted as the Italians our ours) as bad manners.
I've seen Italians do it, but I don't know if it has the exact same meaning. Just in case it means something else, punch him in the face and say "va fangulo".
Lol, yeah, if they add those words, it doesn't matter if they are waving their hands.
Church fires photographer over Scalia picture: Freelancer pays for ‘right thing’
by Jessica Heslam, Boston Herald, Boston, Massachusetts
Friday, March 31, 2006 - Updated: 01:24 PM EST
Boston HeraldA freelance photographer has been fired by the Archdiocese of Boston’s newspaper for releasing a picture of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia making a controversial gesture in the Cathedral of the Holy Cross on Sunday.
Peter Smith, who had freelanced for The Pilot newspaper for a decade, lost the job yesterday after the Herald ran his photo on its front page yesterday, Thursday, March 31, 2006). Smith said he has no regrets about releasing it.
“I did the right thing. I did the ethical thing,” said Smith, 51, an assistant photojournalism professor at Boston University.
Smith snapped the photo of Scalia flicking his hand under his chin after a Herald reporter asked the conservative jurist his response to people who question his impartiality on matters of church and state.
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The weekly Catholic newspaper made a “journalistic decision” not to run or release the photo, said Archdiocese spokesman Terry Donilon. “Because he breached that trust with the editor, we will no longer engage his services as a freelance photographer,” Donilon said.
“It’s nothing personal,” added Pilot editor Antonio Enrique. “I need to try and find people I can trust.”
While news outlets from across the country sought Smith’s photo yesterday, the archdiocese said there’s no proof that Scalia uttered an obsenity(sic) in the church. Smith said Scalia said, “To my critics, I say, ‘Vaffanculo,’ ” while making the gesture. That’s Italian for (expletive) you. “It was pretty clear,” Smith said yesterday. A Herald reporter who was nearby did not hear that utterance.
I'm not implying anything, I know and I'm telling you. Plus, I'm not talking about the insult, I'm talking about the hand gesture and one of its possible meanings, which is not to say it could not obsene, just that he might be telling the truth and he meant one thing rather than another.
And I'm telling you that the hand gesture in tandem with the insult in Italian is obscene, no matter how Scalia wants to spin it.
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