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Hey, if all the ice melts like these guys are saying it will, we can fully explore for Oil in Antarctica and Exploit the Oil fields we KNOW are there and that are bigger than the Arabian Peninsula reserves in Siberia.
Win/Win
The climate is crashing, and global warming is to blame
Think of the polar Bears!!
CNN(Time.com) -- No one can say exactly what it looks like when a planet takes ill, but it probably looks a lot like Earth.
Never mind what you've heard about global warming as a slow-motion emergency that would take decades to play out. Suddenly and unexpectedly, the crisis is upon us.
From heat waves to storms to floods to fires to massive glacial melts, the global climate seems to be crashing around us.
The problem -- as scientists suspected but few others appreciated -- is that global climate systems are booby-trapped with tipping points and feedback loops, thresholds past which the slow creep of environmental decay gives way to sudden and self-perpetuating collapse. That's just what's happening now.
So now it turns out that there has been a consorted effort by the oil and coal industry to confuse people (like Vashner and GTown) on the real facts of the existance of global warming, and why green-house gases are at their highest-level ever.
Hey, if all the ice melts like these guys are saying it will, we can fully explore for Oil in Antarctica and Exploit the Oil fields we KNOW are there and that are bigger than the Arabian Peninsula reserves in Siberia.
Win/Win
except we'll all be dead
Actually, there are lots of positives that could come from a warmer planet. However, all you ever hear about are the doomsday predictions and the negative aspects of climate change.
After reading a lot more about climate change over the past few years, I'm no where near convinced it is a man made phenomenon. I know the rise in CO2 is man made, but I'm not sure (and no one expect uninformed people or people with agendas is) it is the primary factor or even a large factor in climate change.
Not just a liberal conspiracy? Do you mean its a gay conspiracy, too?
Time magazine will be ripped as liberal bull not to be believed by any self-respecting Conservative.
wait for it.
Wait for iiiiiiit....
I blame illegal immigrants
I'm not saying that we CAN'T have an affect on the climate.
I'm just saying that no one knows wheather CO2 levels are a cause or effect of a warmer climate.
Obviously we are adding CO2 to the atmosphere in the form of emissions, but there have been times on earth that C02 levels were much higher.
A warmer planet = more vegetation = more CO2 output.
Meh... who knows?
Are we the cause of more than 5-10% of the warming?
I've got to say that most of the evidence points to no.
Do I think reducing emissions is a bad Idea? no. I hate places like Mexico City and Santiago, Chile for that exact reason. Smog Suuucks.
You just arent saving your kid's snow days by buying a hybrid.
As for this being a liberal conspiracy... no... It's just all out stupidity by everyone involved.
All those cities and you forgot LA. Intentional?
I don't go to LA.
Laker fans, Talking Mice, and Movie stars.
Nothing to see there...
If you want to make a point, you might want to try to phrase it a little better because I honestly have no earthly idea what the you're trying to say.
I do know this, the current rise in CO2 levels in the atmostphere can only be attributed to one thing. Man.
Emissions are causing the majority of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere.
At times on earth CO2 levels have been much higher than they are now.
Man wasn't around then.
We don't know if geologically historic highs in CO2 are a cause or effect of the earth getting warmer.
It would make sense that an atmosphere with more CO2 in it would support more plant life.
Well, if you like much deadlier, more destructive hurricanes, maybe a few earthquakes to go along with it, likely this year, and drought, or even worse, severe flash-flooding and tornados, the likes of which have been rarely seen, the sea dying and all the creatures along with it, frogs and other amphibians along with arctic inhabitants like the polar bear, vanishing, then I suppose global warming could be a good thing!
:vomit
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Oh my, whatever will we do? Global warming is just the latest doomsday scenario.
Earthquakes due to global warming as well now?
Secondly, the recent hurrican seasons are not directly related to climate change and the vast majorirty of meterologists/climatologists will tell you the same thing, so that argument flies out the door.
Third, flash flooding and drougth have always been an issue in some part of the world and I've seen no studies linking increases in either catagory to climate change. Feel free to provide me some. The same goes for tornados.
Third, I've seen no studies linking current species extinction to climate change. Once again, feel free to provide some. In fact, actions such as deforestation are by FAR in the lead as a cause of species extinction, so you might as well save your breath.
Dan, if you want to have a debate on this, I'm game, but you better bring something more than political bull from either side of the aisle and come with studies and facts because I'm not going to buy into anything less. You're quick hit posts with lots of flair but little substance are full of . You just linked earthquakes and climate change!!!!! Why can't people stick to the facts instead of throwing unproven bull out there? There is plenty of information on climate change and it is undenable, but how in the do people get away with linking plate techtonics with atmospheric sciences?
Get your head out of your ass.
The most biodiverse times on the planet have been when there were very little or no Ice caps. The earth and it's climate are in a constant state of change. Species die out every day of natural occurences. No amount of human effort is going to stop the tide of evolution, plate tectonics, climate change, rotational slowing or solar aging.
Just isn't going to happen.
"Oh my god the earth is warming save the polar bear"
Well man... when we werent around and the earth got warmer after an ice age what saved the thing that lived there before the polar bear?
Nothing. It either died out, or turned into something else.
That's life.
Litteraly, that ecompasses everything I just said. "That's Life". If that wasn't life, then we wouldnt have multiple cell organisms. If there was no ability to adapt or evolve, we just wouldn't ing be here.
So...
Deal with it.
Actually Manny earthquakes happen because of glacial retreat all the time. The ice compresses the ground beneath it, and when the glacier retreats there are tens of thousands of years of "rebound". Little tremors are vastly different from earthquakes on tectonic boundaries though. The canadian Shield up north is still rebounding at some rate a year from the miles of Ice that were on top of it.
I'm guessing these are very small on the richter scale and not very significant?
dude global warming doesn't mean it's gonna be a few degrees warmer in the summer. It means a lot more instability in the weather, or harsher( a lot harsher) climate events like drought, hurricanes, etc.
The IPCC isn't an objective body but they even admit positive aspects to climate change:
Don't you want to reduce world hunger dan? Don't you want to stop deforestation so we can save species Dan? Don't you want people to have water Dan? Don't you want people to live Dan?
Oh, is that what it means? Thanks for clearing that up for me. I don't know about cilmate change, maybe you could teach me some more?
esshhhhActually, there are lots of positives that could come from a warmer planet
I guess I don't want people to live
Well, it depends. I think they have attributed some of the little earthquakes going on in Greenland to glacial melt. There hasn't been a big one recorded.
1's and 2's. Maybe a 3.
But who knows?
When you compress something like Rock and it's inherent compositional variations, first of all it isn't going to compress evenly so that will create fractures.
Secondly when you take the weight off of it that compressed it, it isn't going to DECOMPRESS evenly because of composition AND the fractures that were created.
Someone could build a scenario where a larger type quake happend because of decompression.
Would it happen in the real world?
Dunno.
I haven't ever heard of one.
wish I had the time man. Read up on it.
I should have included [/scarcasm] .
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