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    I have a plan to destroy America.

    Turn America into a monocultural country, with anything different scorned and automatically dismissed as inferior. History shows that ethno-centrism consistently leads to evil empires, like the British, German, or Japanese in recent history. When you can make the emotional, irrational case that anybody who looks, worships, or speaks differently is sub-human and deserves to be subjugated or worse yet, rounded up into camps for slow deaths, it is easier to convince the simple-minded that “obeying orders” doesn’t require ethical judgments. Virulent nationalism is a subtle, insipid and irresistible poison that darkens the spirit and provides a clear path to evil.

    Second, to destroy America, constantly invent new enemies that don’t look or speak your language. When you can make a case to the faithful that their worst fears are true about their neighbor who looks different, they can take the easy path and not find out for themselves what that person is really like. People like to be lazy, and getting all your opinions from someone else who makes an emotionally appealing case is easier than actually going out and finding out real facts or taking the time to understand another culture.

    The politics of outrage trump facts every time.

    Make it an article of belief that your nation is 100% superior in all ways to everyone else’s. The differences between your culture and every other one is obviously because theirs is worse than yours. Since your culture is superior to everything else, your government must be infallible too.

    I would make it an article of belief that leaders of the ruling party can’t be questioned, even when they break the law. To question leaders is to be unpatriotic and traitorous. Unity brings us into lockstep so we can all march together towards a greater nation.

    I would encourage single-party government, and make strides towards permanent one-party rule. A good way to do this is to allow government to start spying on its own citizens in secret. Since the ruling party obviously knows what is best for everybody, create a climate of fear, so you can increase government police powers. Governments have always shown that they can be trusted with unchecked power, right? Only unchecked power has ever made societies safe and secure.

    I would create a climate of secrecy in which anything remotely embarrassing to the ruling party is a state secret and to reveal any of these embarrassing secrets would be harming national security in a time of great crisis. The enemies of the rulers are the enemies of the state. I would put anybody that did this on trial, unless of course it was one of the rulers attempting to do the same thing for political gain. Hypocrisy is ok, because winning at any cost is the only concern for a one-party government.

    To destroy America, you would also never tell the whole truth, and never admit you did anything wrong, especially when your incompetence directly gets people killed. Remember that you can’t maintain the image of an infallible leader if you have inconvenient part of the truth pointing to mistakes. The easy thing in these cases is to use that climate of secrecy to hide the climate of arrogance.

    You would stand behind the really incompetent ones because they are weak link in your chain of one-party dominance. If they fail and people die, don’t admit they are less than perfect. Create an autocratic culture of loyalty to the party, because that is more important than loyalty to the public good.

    You would consistently give in to business interests over the public good, because businesses provide jobs and money to your ruling party. The public good has to take a back seat so that exploitation of people and resources can be done in the most short-sighted manner. Short-term fixes will become the norm and long term vision will be forgotten. It is better to have the short-term profits to be had from pollution than it is to have a healthy productive workforce.

    Once you have quashed the truth and gotten the nation into lockstep by marginalizing the opposition, you can solidify your one-party rule so that people will never think that there is any alternative to your infallible government. Once you can do that you can distract the people with short-term threats so that they lose sight of the long-term freedoms that you are slowly taking away when they aren’t looking. Because people don’t think for themselves, you can cook up any kind of harebrained short-term scheme, because the long run doesn’t matter anymore.

    Then you have destroyed America and created a new totalitarianism the like of which the world has never seen.

    Pretty scary stuff.

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    Too bad I don't have a plan to spell "America" correctly...

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    The US is such a terrible place. Ever thought of moving since everything about this country and how its run bothers you so much?

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    So we started a war with Radical Islam because they can't speak the same language?

    Bull ....

    Iran Hostages
    Lebanon Marines
    African Embassy's
    Kohbar Towers
    1993 Clinton WTC bombing (He didn't go to NYC or anytihng like that after the attack)
    USS Cole
    9/11

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    The US is such a terrible place. Ever thought of moving since everything about this country and how its run bothers you so much?




    Oh my god, you're right. I will put in my immigration papers tomorrow for China. Thank you so much for making me see the error of my ways.



    Seriously though. This was a bit of a reaction to something that Lamm said and wasn't really meant in 100% seriousness. I figure if conservatives can scare-monger, so can I.

    I do believe there is hope for our country, and love it deeply enough to be genuinely worried at the totalitarian slant that the current administration has taken.

    Is the original thread an exaggeration? Yes.

    Is is completely groundless? No.

    It is an avowed GOP goal to make and keep a permanent Republican majority in congress and the executive. Do I trust one party to be honest enough to run the government well? NO. The GOP has proven in the last 6 years that they couldn't be trusted to run a lemonade stand, let alone the most complex economy in the world.

    Is there more truth to what I said than some would care for? Yup.

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    How have they "been proven"?

    I think that's bull if you look at the economy. And the story of our military loosing is also bull . We are ing up the enemy.

    Day after day of liberal biased media reporting does not cons ute Proof of anything.

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    I do believe there is hope for our country, and love it deeply enough to be genuinely worried at the totalitarian slant that the current administration has taken.
    Totalitarian bull ? Are you a ing re ?

    I'll tell you what's scary. Hillary's socialistic health care plan. The state and national legislatures insisting on more programs for the people (read, socialism). The liberals wanting to make firearm ownership illegal.

    All the PC run amok in this country, people taking offense to anything "non-PC." Parents sueing the ing schools because little Johnny can't pass the ing TAAS test.

    Parents sueing the school because little Janie skipped school half her senior year, flunked two classes, and can't graduate so that she can graduate.

    All the leftists filing lawsuits all over because they've been 'offended' by something someone did or said. What about the rights of those on the other side to speak their minds? In our country today, the only people who have freedom of speech are those on the left. They sue the other side to shut them up. ing pussies.

    The control the press has over much of the mindless masses here in this country. People largely are incapable of any thought on the future or current happenings of this country unless they've got Dan Rather or Shephard Smith or Wolf Blitzer telling them how it is. Learn some ing world history, American foreign relations, and national history, and think for your ing self.

    That's the kind of that scares me.

    The OP had a cute post though, I guess the thought of all the illegals leaching off this country pleases him. Wonder how much he's paying in taxes, Medicare, etc. each year...

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    The US is such a terrible place. Ever thought of moving since everything about this country and how its run bothers you so much?
    hey first response (post #3)

    nice!

    never saw it coming either

    you should have added something about france or canada as options or said "if you dont like this country, you can GIT OUT!"
    then it would have been flawlessly neocon

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    Nice Aggie Hoopsfan.

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    Totalitarian bull ? Are you a ing re ?

    I'll tell you what's scary. Hillary's socialistic health care plan. The state and national legislatures insisting on more programs for the people (read, socialism). The liberals wanting to make firearm ownership illegal.
    I think you've made a false dichotomy there. We live in a country where BOTH major parties believe in the power of the state.

    Bush and the GOP are no more conservative than the DLC. Actually, the rightmost wings of the Democratic Party might actually be more fiscally and economically conservative than the corrupt GOP leadership right now. I don't say that as an advocate for Democrats, but as a condemnation against the GOP for abandoning what it was supposed to stand for.

    The party in power is Christian socialist, rather than conservative. They are authoritarian, rather than deferring to the individual. And they are staggeringly incompetent. They excuse their incompetence by saying, "Hey, you can't trust government anyway," but then out of the other side of their mouth demand ever-greater powers.

    I'll be glad when the current Administration is gone. Hopefully they haven't done so much damage to the GOP that they end up out of power for a generation. Certainly I imagine "Bush fatigue" will give us a very different kind of GOP candidate in '08.

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    Totalitarian bull ? Are you a ing re ?
    This administration is:
    Advocating the use of torture
    running secret detainment camps
    secretly wiretapping its own citizens
    detaining people indefinitely without access to legal counsel or access to family
    How is this NOT totalitarian in nature?

    How much *do* you want done in your name? Where do we stop?

    I'll tell you what's scary. Hillary's socialistic health care plan. The state and national legislatures insisting on more programs for the people (read, socialism). The liberals wanting to make firearm ownership illegal.
    We can put men on the moon, and bombs on target within inches, but health care for everyone is unattainable because you don't want to spend money on your fellow human beings? GW wants to spend trillions on a missle defense shield but we can't increase spending on preventive health care? This is simple moral bankruptcy and squarely against the teachings of Jesus. I really don't see how you can be against universal health care and call yourself a good Christian.

    All the PC run amok in this country, people taking offense to anything "non-PC." Parents sueing the ing schools because little Johnny can't pass the ing TAAS test.
    It's just not *your* PC, and that's your real problem. Most conservatives that I have met would LOVE to make everybody think *their* way, and your reaction doesn't dissuade me of that notion.

    All the leftists filing lawsuits all over because they've been 'offended' by something someone did or said. What about the rights of those on the other side to speak their minds? In our country today, the only people who have freedom of speech are those on the left. They sue the other side to shut them up. ing pussies.
    I am *sure* this is a *billion* dollar problem, right?

    I will go out on a limb and guess that your basis for this is two or three examples that have been punted around endlessly in the right-wing media as 100% proof of some huge plot. I will say: bull . People can sue a ham sandwich in this country, and this whole "PC police" plot is an overblown, out of context, non-issue created by right-wing ideologes that are more concerned with demogoguery than truth.

    The control the press has over much of the mindless masses here in this country. People largely are incapable of any thought on the future or current happenings of this country unless they've got Dan Rather or Shephard Smith or Wolf Blitzer telling them how it is. Learn some ing world history, American foreign relations, and national history, and think for your ing self.
    Hallelujah, I agree. Most people would benefit from all of the above.

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    I think you've made a false dichotomy there. We live in a country where BOTH major parties believe in the power of the state.

    Bush and the GOP are no more conservative than the DLC. Actually, the rightmost wings of the Democratic Party might actually be more fiscally and economically conservative than the corrupt GOP leadership right now. I don't say that as an advocate for Democrats, but as a condemnation against the GOP for abandoning what it was supposed to stand for.

    The party in power is Christian socialist, rather than conservative. They are authoritarian, rather than deferring to the individual. And they are staggeringly incompetent. They excuse their incompetence by saying, "Hey, you can't trust government anyway," but then out of the other side of their mouth demand ever-greater powers.

    I'll be glad when the current Administration is gone. Hopefully they haven't done so much damage to the GOP that they end up out of power for a generation. Certainly I imagine "Bush fatigue" will give us a very different kind of GOP candidate in '08.
    I agree.

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    This administration is:
    Advocating the use of torture
    running secret detainment camps
    secretly wiretapping its own citizens
    detaining people indefinitely without access to legal counsel or access to family
    How is this NOT totalitarian in nature?

    How much *do* you want done in your name? Where do we stop?



    We can put men on the moon, and bombs on target within inches, but health care for everyone is unattainable because you don't want to spend money on your fellow human beings? GW wants to spend trillions on a missle defense shield but we can't increase spending on preventive health care? This is simple moral bankruptcy and squarely against the teachings of Jesus. I really don't see how you can be against universal health care and call yourself a good Christian.



    It's just not *your* PC, and that's your real problem. Most conservatives that I have met would LOVE to make everybody think *their* way, and your reaction doesn't dissuade me of that notion.



    I am *sure* this is a *billion* dollar problem, right?

    I will go out on a limb and guess that your basis for this is two or three examples that have been punted around endlessly in the right-wing media as 100% proof of some huge plot. I will say: bull . People can sue a ham sandwich in this country, and this whole "PC police" plot is an overblown, out of context, non-issue created by right-wing ideologes that are more concerned with demogoguery than truth.



    Hallelujah, I agree. Most people would benefit from all of the above.

    I see that you obviously are controlled by truth. ,

    LEts get this straight,

    For the first time in american history, and administration is holding secret detainment camps.

    We are wiretapping betty sue and Grandma Lee over secret muffin recipes, all while torturing liberal sexuals and running gulags and sending pornstars, hustlers and the sexually pervert to holocaust camps.

    The NSA is detaining cousin Ned without legal counsel and trial by jury because he didn't rise for the pledge of alleigance.



    SO pardon all the other presidents, who went to extraordinary lengths and relied on heavy executive power, like FDR and LIncoln. Bush is the first to ever use executive power abusively.

    Nevermind that FDR packed the Supreme court with his own ideologues because he couldnt get his way, or that he detained actual japanese american citizens, or had secret Detainment camps.

    Nevermind That JFK wiretapped his political opponents, and the great MLK.

    Nevermind that Lincoln actually suspended Habeus COrpus, and deported a dissident. But he's somehow second only to George Washington in best presidents ever.

    ANd your use of Jesus christ to pimp Free healthcare is first of all idiotic.


    Jesus gave instructions for the person, not the govt. Give unto Ceasars what is Ceasars and give unto GOd what is God.

    Jesus was silent on this issue. ANd it is hypocritical for you to complain about social conservatives using religion to advance their agenda, while you do the same.

    ANd this goes for Extra Stout.


    Want to know why the GOP is controlled by socialist Christians rather than true conservatives. Maybe is because the Country Club Republican wedge issue using, spineless, idiots can not hold a candle to the aggressive smear campaigns of the Left, and are pretty easy to persuade.

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