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pistons/nets upset?
possible...but probable? .....nah
would be an easier road for spurs, granted, but that won't happen. pistons are too damn good, and we are going to meet them in finals yet again.
crazier things have happened though
Anyone remember 02-03 ECF?
The relevant factors that lead to that embarassing moment in Pistons' history have not changed.
It's all about the matchups...the Nets still do not match up well with Shaq...but Jason Kidd still matches up very well with the Pistons, and this version of the Nets is much better.... Kristic is much more consistent than KMart and they didn't even have anyone like Carter in 02-03, who even though he is a , is still good for some big games on the right type of team. And IMO does present a problem for the Pistons D.
Piston fan knows I speak the truth too...they know Jason Kidd with weapons makes them a of a lot more nervous than Shaq does. They may not admit it...but deep down inside, they know Kidd scares the out of them.
He makes me nervous too...but Parker destroys him with his speed...OTOH, Kidd is tailor made for Billups.
Be afraid Piston fan...I believe I have seen the face of the future EC Champ...and I believe it is the Nets.
No bias here...I admit the Pistons make me nervous this year, even with Flip. And the way Pistons fans have sat here all season long in anticipation, like Wolves, waiting, patiently waiting, like they smell blood, waiting for their moment to strike, makes me even more nervous...I get this vibe from every Piston fan on the board...even the stupid ones(of which there are not many)
But this version of the Nets scares me a of a lot more than the 02-03 version...and that version was kind of a in the finals.
So from my POV it's a draw a sto which team I think would give the Spurs more trouble but I know the Nets have the Pistons' number. Without a doubt...Kidd has their number.
Last edited by whottt; 05-09-2006 at 03:28 AM.
pistons/nets upset?
possible...but probable? .....nah
would be an easier road for spurs, granted, but that won't happen. pistons are too damn good, and we are going to meet them in finals yet again.
crazier things have happened though
I remember 02-03, that was pre-Sheed. With the maturation of Tayshaun (his rookie season where he played very little that year until the playoffs) and the big improvements in both Billups and Rips game along with the addition of Rasheed and Mcdyess and Hunter being back in form (and Delk too? dayum I'm scarin' myself here), that Piston team doesn't come close to what we have now. The Nets are a good team but I honestly believe the Heat would give us a tougher series than the Nets.
The Pistons have a way of stunting the opposing teams leading scorer or letting him get off and locking down the rest of the team. Flip's done an excellent job with both the offense and the defense IMO.
There's respect for both the Nets and the Heat but no fear. (thanks for the warning just the same whottt)
nets fans should remember 1985
Sorry, but Miami is garbage and everyone knows it and should know it. At least Jersey can play some "D" and Kidd is pretty solid against Billups. The Pistons should not fear Jersey or anyone for that matter but Jersey would be a much tougher matchup than the heat anyday.I remember 02-03, that was pre-Sheed. With the maturation of Tayshaun (his rookie season where he played very little that year until the playoffs) and the big improvements in both Billups and Rips game along with the addition of Rasheed and Mcdyess and Hunter being back in form (and Delk too? dayum I'm scarin' myself here
The Pistons have a way of stunting the opposing teams leading scorer or letting him get off and locking down the rest of the team. Flip's done an excellent job with both the offense and the defense IMO.
There's respect for both the Nets and the Heat but no fear. (thanks for the warning just the same whottt)
Nets would give the Pistons a tougher series since they match up better. I don't think that can be reasonably disputed.
Yeah, the Nets might play the Pistons tough, but where will they be when Vince Carter doesn't show up for the first half of the deciding game 7 after he attends the obedience school graduation of his dog Lola. I guess that will be the real reason "you don't feed the dog people food"
Either Miami or New Jersey would win one or two games against Detroit in a seven game series.
Nets are very capable of playing Detroit tough. Detroit would still come out on top, so I don't know why Nets should scare the Pistons or Pistons fans.
First off, let me announce that I just heard from my podiatrist - there's a new surgery that allows the removal of nenads on an outpatient basis. (pause for laughtrack).
But seriously, Whott, as Jochejaam pointed out, this is far from the same team. Our '03 starting PF now sits on the Nets' bench, and we've upgraded considerably at that position. In '03, Tayshaun was playing Darko minutes until roughly Game 4 of the first round; he's a bit more experienced now. We actually HAVE an offensive game now, as opposed to the Rick Carlisle micro-managed "run the clock down and maybe get a bucket while you're at it" placeholder between defensive stands. Rip had the mid-range catch-and-shoot and not much else in '03; he's got a lot more now. Most of all, Billups has survived the Larry Brown "Play The Right Way" Academy for Point Guards, but is no longer shackled by the "OR ELSE!" of actually having LB for a coach. Most of the '03 pieces are still there, but they're not the same individually, and collectively they've got almost three full years of playing together under their belts.
Why do you look all the way back to '03, anyway? These teams have met in the playoffs more recently, y'know. As for Kidd having the Pistons' number, here's a quiz: How many times has Jason Kidd been held scoreless for an entire playoff game? (hint: ONCE). Who did it to him? (hint: THE PISTONS). When? (hint: '04 EC semis, game 7). Who's got whose number? (you figure it out).
And if Miami uncorks a 20-point blowout on the Nets in game 2, the whole tune is going to change anyway. <yawn>
Yawn.... you should worrie about Dallas Pistons will roll right over Jersey.
Nah they won't roll right over Jersey. Jersey plays them tough every game. We brought you guys to 7 games when you had your current starting 5 in 2004. We also did well against you in the reg season, which counts for at least a dime.
Pistons will win in 6 or 7, but it will be a hard fought series. Sacramento Kings are to Spurs as New Jersey Nets are to Pistons.
oh Please, the Nets are a team in the level of the Suns/Kings/Clippers. Don't be fooled by game 1 in Miami, Miami just sucks balls as well, but even they are in a higher level.
take a look at the Pacer series vs. Nets. the pacers played them very well in the defensive side. The Pistons would do even better.
And about the matchups, I don't see any matchup problems for the Pistons if they play their typical Piston defense.
should Piston's be scared of the Nets
I didn't mean sweep yes I can see a 6 game set Jersey will be a much better test for Detroit then the heat. Do you think you guys can take the heat out in five?
The Pistons are going to the Finals. Who they play along the way is of no concern. The Least Conference is earning its namesake. There are the Pistons, and then 7 other teams battling for second place.
Is that y? Depends on how you want to take it. Miami or NJ has absolutely ZERO chance of beating the Pistons in a 7 game series. Too deep, too cohesive, too motivated.
Dont get me wrong, when Kristic finally decides to come out of his s , NJ is going to be a force. If NJ had that low-post presence CONSISTENTLY every game, NJ would give the Pistons a run, if not win outright.
But Kristic is a ghost as of yet. One game hes here, the other he is not. Also, right now he is being defended by Haslem, who is a good defender in his own right, but certainly not a Rasheed Wallace.
Sheed is going to shut him down and ship him out. JKidd is awesome as is Jefferson and Vinsanity, but Billups is no defensive slouch.....nor is Prince. Heck, Rip has even become a more than capable defender. All they have to do is funnel the guards toward the bigs. Im sure VC and Co. will make a bunch of Sportscenter highlight reels with their relentless attacking of the basket....but the scoreboard will still be the same.
Pistons W
Nets L
The Nets are gonna take ya'll out if they get past Miami.
They swept you off your own home court in 03, because Kidd dominated....and while the Pistons have added Sheed, Prince and McDyess...The Nets have added Vince Carter and replaced KMart with Nenad Kristic. They are much better now than they were then...forget the record.
As someone else mentioned...they took you to seven games the year ya'll won the le...and that Nets team was decimated with injuries that entire season....
Kidd is your nemesis, the man swept you with Kenyon Martin on his team...
This team is way better than the one that swept ya'll and took you to 7 games.
I think the Nets have the best chance in the East at beating the Pistons, but it will be a tough uphill battle for them. Pistons would beat Miami in 5. NJ would take it to 7 no doubt.
you're insane. The pistons are 10x better than 03. The Nets, maybe 2x better.
I can appreciate the New Jersey Nets this season and they are very capable of beating Miami, but I like the Pistons chances if they meet in the Conference Finals. Let me say that this is a better team than the one they had in 2001-02 and 2002-03. I see very little difference between the role that Kenyon Martin played and the role Vince Carter has now, except that he is more able to score than Martin. Add to that the traditional frontcourt presence in Nenad Kristic, the defensive placeholder in Cliff Robinson, and without losing Jason Collins, the Nets are better.
However, the Conference has grown up around them as well. They still have weaknesses that over a seven-game series can be exploited by a team that is of equal talent and chemistry in the Detroit Pistons.
- Depth: I named six really good pieces for the Nets. After that, the rotation tends to drag. Cliff Robinson, Jacque Vaughn, Lamond Murray, and John Thomas are essentially their bench. I like the Pistons rotation of Antonio McDyess, Lindsey Hunter, Tony Delk, and Maurice Evans much better. They are much younger and more versitile.
- Shooting: The Pistons stay home with everyone. Their philosophy is that one man cannot beat five, and that keeps them from losing on most nights. Unless Nenad Kristic can catch fire and average 30 versus Rasheed, Big Ben, and McDyess, while simulatenously Carter starts shooting 45% from behind the long line, taking 18 attempts a night, the Nets are not going to find getting shots very easy.
Look at last night's game for example. They needed someone to just hit a shot or two and that crowd would've quieted down and Miami would have very little confidence heading into game 2. They couldn't do it. Miami was successful at making them a half-court team for 6 minutes or so and they wasted a 28-point lead (cut to 9). And this was with Jason Kidd shooting lights-out for most of the game.
It's not Shaq that was abusing them. The Heat's perimeter defense for that small stretch was killer. It doesn't matter how the points were gotten on the other end. It mattered that the Nets couldn't stop them from making a run. I've seen Miami give up in games where they were down big, twice in these playoffs. Make no mistake, the Pistons, if at full strength, will not be so kind to the Nets.
- Versitile: When the Pistons and Nets last met in the Conference Finals, it was a battle over tempo. Much like the Indiana and Miami series' this year, the teams want to stop the Nets, set up in the half-court, and make them play long possessions. The Pistons have no such objective now.
They are versitile enough to win both running and in the half-court.
- Experiences: A lot has happened between the 2002-03 Conference Finals and the 2005-06 version. For instance:
-Tayshaun Prince became a starter in the 2002-03 Conference Finals. The Pistons realized that Mike Curry couldn't keep up with Richard Jefferson and it allowed the Nets to have the opportunity to overcome an 8-point deficit at the Palace for a Game one win. Tayshaun did what he did as a starter in the regular season - 5.3 ppg with horrific defense on Jefferson, a player with a rare combination of strength and quickness.
See Lebron James and his 22-point night with no points in the second half to find out if Prince has learned how to play quick wings with power.
- Rasheed Wallace is not Cliff Robinson. Do you know how many rebounds the Pistons starting center averaged in that Conference Finals? 1.5. That's not a typo. I didn't mean 10.5 and forgot the zero. 1.5. That is why he was traded in the two months after that series, and part of the reason Rick Carlisle was fired for continuing to play Robinson over Memo Okur. Because the Pistons were learning that if a team was quick, Mike Curry and Cliff Robinson were too slow-footed to keep up with them.
- Chauncey Billups isn't hurt (at the time this is written). Chauncey Billups was amazing in the 2002-03 postseason. In game one of the Eastern Semifinal series with the Philadelphia 76ers he severely sprained his ankle on Eric Snow's foot. He missed games 2, 3, and 5 of that series, and only had one more really good game - 28 points (9 in overtime), 7 rebounds, and 5 assists in the elimination game sending the Pistons to the Conference Finals.
2001-02 postseason (with T-Wolves): 22.0 ppg, .451 FG%, 5.7 apg, and 5.0 rpg.
Pre-injury: 22.8 ppg, .420 FG% 4.3 apg, and 4.0 rpg.
Post-injury: 11.7 ppg, .281 FG%, 5.3 apg, and 2.5 rpg.
What looked like a classic point-guard duel in the making turned into "wait 'till next year."
- 2003-04 Semifinals:
Wait till next year became exactly that. With six of the Pistons top seven rotation pieces in place (Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed, Wallace, Ben Wallace, and Lindsey Hunter) the Pistons beat the Nets, 4-3. The Nets fell into a 2-0 hole, had to foul out 4 of the Pistons 5 starters in a triple-overtime game to get a series lead, failed to close out the Pistons in New Jersey, and suffered a 90-69 loss in Jason Kidd's first scoreless postseason game of his career. Since Rasheed came to town, the Pistons have won 9 of the 15 games they have played versus New Jersey.
- The Pistons have been to the Finals just as many times as New Jersey, beat the Lakers team that swept them, and took the Spurs further in a seven-game series. My point to that is the Pistons no longer are the up-and-comers just happy to be in the Conference Championship round for the first time in 12 years. They are on a mission, and it doesn't involve moral victories after losing to the Nets in the Conference Finals the way it did 3 years ago.
All in all, the Nets still have flaws that can be exploited, and that's the strength of the Pistons' gameplan. I like the Pistons chances if they are to meet.
Last edited by Darrin; 05-09-2006 at 01:00 PM.
The last time the Pistons and Nets faced each other in the playoffs, how did our "nemesis" do? Let me know if this rings a bell: 0-8 shooting, 0 FTA, 7 assists, 5 boards, 3 steals, two TO's. All that in 43 minutes, in the biggest game of his season.
He swept a Pistons team that HAD NO OFFENSE in '03; you think that makes him a magic bullet against the team that took your boys to the limit last June? Admit it, man, yer trollin',, just like the Nets will be in June.
Last edited by bdubya; 05-09-2006 at 01:08 PM.
I remember 03. Let's hope Billups isn't on one foot if we play the Nets again this year. Also, Michael Curry and Corliss Williamson. Haha.
Nets vs. Spurs
Part II ?
Absolutely not. RJ rolled his ankle, for starters, and the Nets aren't the best adjustment team IMO. It will be a 6 or 7 game series. Im absolutely devestated that RJ got injured with a BRUISED
In my opinion, this seaon wll be a success if we get to the ECF and just get an chance to beat the Pistons. That's all you can ask for. Next season, JKidd will be one more year past his prime, but every other starter will be better, and we'll be deeper through the MLE and draft. Hopefully that will be our year
Last edited by kidd; 05-09-2006 at 03:35 PM.
RJ will be back for Game 3. He didn't roll it that bad if he's not on crutches. It's the playoffs, nut up and get back out there and help your team squash Snaq and Wade. Game 2 is probably the only one Heat win and that will be cuz of no RJ. Course they may not even win it if Vinsanity puts up 50+ on them like he did in the season.
As said, Billups was playing on basically one leg for that series, and Michael "FREAKING" Curry was a starter(Although I think Tayshaun took his spot for the series.)
I think whottt has a point, and in fact ive been looking for a thread like this.
Nets are getting blown out early in the 1st against Miami as we speak, but I was thinking earlier today how well the Nets would give the Pistons a run for their money.
Kidd would make Chauncy look silly, as he has in the past. I'm not saying Nets would automaticaly beat them, but the Nets would certainly be the toughest East series they could get.
So I'm going for the Nets in the miami series.
Also because Shaq looks horribly horribly horribly outdated, slow, and on the decline.
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