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That's been passed around at least since the last election. The vast majority of it is complete BS, but it is somewhat entertaining...
I found it funny that even conservative Canadians found it insulting to compare their party and its leader to Bush
From a Toronto Blue Jays Forum
1. I attacked and took over two countries.
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy)
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
7. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history.
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history.
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Cons ution than any other US president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
32. I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections.
35. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
41. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
42. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
48. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
That's been passed around at least since the last election. The vast majority of it is complete BS, but it is somewhat entertaining...
Oh. The kid who posted it said he and his friends came up with it. And while it is repe ive, there isnt any bull in that list
5. Wasn't the biggest drop in the Stock Market the one that caused the crash in '29???
The first 2 are highly suspect in that it depends on whether you are talking about sheer numbers, or percentages. Adjusting for inflation, they are wrong.
The rest I listed are bull .
The rest are either spin, or half-truths.
While I agree, you can only delete 12...out of 50.
So, make it the "Top 38"
I could delete more. I could probably discredit 40+ of them easily (haven't read the complete list in a while). Likes I said, the vast majority are complete or mostly BS/spin. A few are 100% true, but are inconsequential.
I do agree to an extent, you couldnt refute 25. Not counting the half truths like..
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.
So 'bankrupted' isnt exactly true, but it doesnt make the point invalid. Subsitute bankrupted for "completely ed over"....sound better?
You couldnt do 25....and even if you get close, you fail to see that youre still 25 short.
Youre reeeeeeeeeally going to have to stretch these points to their literal limits to discredit them. Its going to be interesting.
You right, you can't dismiss 40+ as BS or half-truth. You can if you include what is obviously spin on insignificant things, etc.
There's not really anything substantial in the list.
Then name ANYTHING the Repug WH has accomplished, substantial or not, in 6 years.
I posted yesterday the $15B WH gave to AIDS program.
ANYTHING ELSE IN 6 YEARS?
This presidency, if anything, is at the very least controversial. Setting new precedents like pre-emptive war and such.
In that entire list of UN babblery, Court of the World ostracizing, record setting deficit, economic decline, etc I can completely understand your opinion that "There's not really anything substantial in the list."
Makes total sense.
An amazingly quick recovery from the second largest financial crisis the US has ever faced.
Increasing federal spending on Education, Alternative Energy, Medicare, etc, by ENOURMOUS percentages (often 300% or more).
Removing blockages that prevented the different intelligence agencies from communicating with each other.
Calling BS on one of the stupidest international treaties that ever existed (Kyoto).
Began re-organizing the military to be more efficient and better able to respond instead of leaving outdated bases where they are as a way of subsidizing foreign economies.
There's a lot this administration has done well. There's a lot this administration has done poorly. This list is just stupid and insignificant.
Education: I hope you arent referring to No Child Left in School program? Ask a teacher how thats going...
Alternative Energy:...huhuhuhuhu....bw-HAHAHAAA...
Medicare: Know any senior citizens? Ask them how this new Medicare thing is shaking down.
Dont buy the bull dude. Youre re-iterating everything you have read or been told. Ask the people that actually have to work inside the programs.
Medicare is more ed today than this same time last year. No Child Left Behind...in a conjunctive word, counter-productive. 4 of my looooong-time friends have parents that are teachers. Lord help the people caught in a room with them and you bring that up.
The Energy thing is...laughable. Completely. Alternative....are we talking about Big Oil Bush? Are we talking about record-setting profits in the oil industry? Gas prices at an all-time high?
What, because he makes a speech about this , you buy into the bull that he cares? Cmon!
Lets just assume for one fairy-godmother second that this entire government actually cared about alternative fuel sources....how freaking late are we? Sure, sure...better late than never right? Intentional? maybe...
Regardless, I can guarantee no matter what $$ amount they put on the research, it will be based on oil thereby not eliminating the largest campaign donors from the gene pool. Coincidence? nah....
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in
It is very possible that the federal government borrowed more against the rate of inflation in WWII, but even Regan didn't spend this much)
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
(Black Tuesday was the largest percentage drop, but in terms of real capital September 12th takes the cake.... in any case I won’t split hairs over this one)
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
(Not sure what you're disputing, he did take the longest vacation in US history for a president, but I suppose you could call Pearl Harbor our greatest security failure...in either case it's pure conjecture.)
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Cons ution than any other US president in history.
(It is a fact that president Bush issues signing statements in which he alters the intent of laws which is extra-cons utional, and that he has wielded the most powerful and unchecked executive in US history-- heavily edging out Lincoln who still asked for congressional approval before he suspended habeas corpus. In this way I consider this statement totally legit.)
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
(I don't know how many treaties he has dissolved in total-- but he has, for all intents and purposes--removed the US from the Geneva Convention)
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
(Might not be the first, but this is certainly happening)
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
(The UN was not around when the US invaded the Philippines, I suppose you could make the case for 'Nam, but I don't know that the UN necessarily disapproved of it)
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
(Come on, read the newspaper. The NSA, signing statements, sealing information, secret prisons, I mean Jesus-- how can you dispute this?)
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
(That's how the world feels, I'll give you that he himself didn't sign the charter that gives veto power, but he appointed an man as the US ambassador that was once quoted as saying the UN would operate better if a 3 floors were bombed out of it)
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
(Totally ing true. Eastern Europe and Gitmo)
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
(I'll give you this one, because I don't know what the author is talking about)
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
(You are totally right to point this one out. Defense companies and the military industrial complex as a whole is thriving, while the rich are also seeing a huge increase in real assets.)
Ahhh... are you serious?This list is just stupid and insignificant.
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in
It is very possible that the federal government borrowed more against the rate of inflation in WWII, but even Regan didn't spend this much)
Actually, the Reagan deficits were much more damaging to the economy. Looking at deficit as a percentage of GDP (a better number for seeing how important the deficit is) it's really not even close.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
(Black Tuesday was the largest percentage drop, but in terms of real capital September 12th takes the cake.... in any case I won’t split hairs over this one)
Not in terms of real capital. In terms of dollars not adjusted for inflation, yes.
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
(Not sure what you're disputing, he did take the longest vacation in US history for a president, but I suppose you could call Pearl Harbor our greatest security failure...in either case it's pure conjecture.)
In terms of a Bush failure, comparatively Pearl Harbor was much worse, given that there is strong evidence there was concrete evidence it was coming that was ignored. The worst that can be said about Bush is he had semi-reliable (at best) information that came in about a week before and probably never even showed at Bush's desk, and a bunch of information Clinton had already dismissed.
Bush did preside over the result of the security failure (whether it is the worst is a matter of opinion), but not the failure itself. Clinton had far more info, and his dismissal of it is what caused Bush to ignore it. Clinton presided over the failure itself.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Cons ution than any other US president in history.
(It is a fact that president Bush issues signing statements in which he alters the intent of laws which is extra-cons utional, and that he has wielded the most powerful and unchecked executive in US history-- heavily edging out Lincoln who still asked for congressional approval before he suspended habeas corpus. In this way I consider this statement totally legit.)
It's a BS statement if for no other reason than "amending the Cons ution". That phrase is completely erroneous and is meant specifically as an attack. This statement as written has no factual basis and is complete BS.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
(I don't know how many treaties he has dissolved in total-- but he has, for all intents and purposes--removed the US from the Geneva Convention)
Bush has dissolved none. He removed the US from 1 active treaty (the ICC), and 1 that had not been ratified or implimented (Kyoto). He may have worked around the Geneva Convention with X-Ray a bit, but he's hardly removed us from it.
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
(Might not be the first, but this is certainly happening)
BS. At no time have all 50 states struggled against bankruptcy. Had to cut costs, yes. No where close to bankruptcy though. Many states (like Texas) will never struggle with bankruptcy because they have balanced budget laws and strigent controls on what programs can be cut in an emergency. It's a blatant overstatement.
As for all 50 states needing to cut costs, it's most likely happened so many times its pointless to worry about.
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
(The UN was not around when the US invaded the Philippines, I suppose you could make the case for 'Nam, but I don't know that the UN necessarily disapproved of it)
The statement is not "I am the first to do this in defiance of the UN". It is "I am the first to do this" and "it happened to be against international will". Two separate clauses. Don't forget we also invaded and occupied Japan and Germany too.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
(Come on, read the newspaper. The NSA, signing statements, sealing information, secret prisons, I mean Jesus-- how can you dispute this?)
LOL. Every president has done that. And that has nothing to do with REMOVING checks and balances. Cir venting I'd give you, but the checks and balances are still there.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
(That's how the world feels, I'll give you that he himself didn't sign the charter that gives veto power, but he appointed an man as the US ambassador that was once quoted as saying the UN would operate better if a 3 floors were bombed out of it)
It's no less relevent now than it has ever been. It's nothing more than a talk shop anyway with no real power. Besides, I'd say the oil for food scandal (that the US COULD have proved about 7 years ago and didn't) made the UN more irrelevant than anything Bush has done.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
(Totally ing true. Eastern Europe and Gitmo)
Misstatement. The people in X-Ray were not declared Prisoners of War, and by the Geneva definition they didn't qualify. The required Red Cross people were only barred from it for about 4 months, and since the people in Gitmo did not meet the criteria for Geneva, they weren't required. The whole eastern europe thing (I'm assuming you mean the "secret CIA prisons") is debateable as well.
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
(I'll give you this one, because I don't know what the author is talking about)
Exactly.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
(You are totally right to point this one out. Defense companies and the military industrial complex as a whole is thriving, while the rich are also seeing a huge increase in real assets.)
Uhh. It was hardly the strongest economy in US history. It was on the DECLINE before Bush was even elected (selected for you people who still think SCOTUS screwed up). Also note that the numbers for the economy now are almost all UP from the end of the Clinton administration. The downturn was SOLELY because of 9-11, an economic crises who's fault is divided among all presidents dating back at least to Reagan, mostly Bush Sr and Clinton.
Also the implication that HE turned the economy to crap is flat out wrong.
Ahhh... are you serious?[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes I am. Do I need to go through every point? This list was laugh worthy back when I first saw it before the 2004 election. I can't believe its still being passed around with so much new material that is much more relavant and important.
OMG, it isnt true because of inflation?! Like I said....reeeeeeeaching.
Semi-reliable evidence? Sounds strangely familiar yet the action taken is completely different.9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
(Not sure what you're disputing, he did take the longest vacation in US history for a president, but I suppose you could call Pearl Harbor our greatest security failure...in either case it's pure conjecture.)
In terms of a Bush failure, comparatively Pearl Harbor was much worse, given that there is strong evidence there was concrete evidence it was coming that was ignored. The worst that can be said about Bush is he had semi-reliable (at best) information that came in about a week before and probably never even showed at Bush's desk, and a bunch of information Clinton had already dismissed.
Whilst other members have the patience and breadth, I dont believe you do. Watch out my man, lots o lawyers just hanging around...gonna make ya look a little lost on this one.17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Cons ution than any other US president in history.
(It is a fact that president Bush issues signing statements in which he alters the intent of laws which is extra-cons utional, and that he has wielded the most powerful and unchecked executive in US history-- heavily edging out Lincoln who still asked for congressional approval before he suspended habeas corpus. In this way I consider this statement totally legit.)
It's a BS statement if for no other reason than "amending the Cons ution". That phrase is completely erroneous and is meant specifically as an attack. This statement as written has no factual basis and is complete BS.
You missed the entire point. See what I mean here? Youre having to reeeeeach and make things completely literal to even refute them. You knew what the statement intended, yet you took it literally. Doesnt make the statement false, it makes it sloppy.25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
(The UN was not around when the US invaded the Philippines, I suppose you could make the case for 'Nam, but I don't know that the UN necessarily disapproved of it)
The statement is not "I am the first to do this in defiance of the UN". It is "I am the first to do this" and "it happened to be against international will". Two separate clauses. Don't forget we also invaded and occupied Japan and Germany too.
I could care less about -wads in Gitmo, etc. But once again (trend starting here), youre really reaching. They dont qualify? Then dont preach about the "justness" and all this other pseudo-religious about America being better than everyone else. If we truly are, then we would play the war-game with a higher moral standard. But we dont. Not that I care. At all. Not even a little.33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
(Totally ing true. Eastern Europe and Gitmo)
Misstatement. The people in X-Ray were not declared Prisoners of War, and by the Geneva definition they didn't qualify. The required Red Cross people were only barred from it for about 4 months, and since the people in Gitmo did not meet the criteria for Geneva, they weren't required. The whole eastern europe thing (I'm assuming you mean the "secret CIA prisons") is debateable as well.
More Clinton blaming. You bring nothing fresh to this forum and are in serious danger of being lumped in with the other "known quan ies" incapable of thinking for themselves.46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
(You are totally right to point this one out. Defense companies and the military industrial complex as a whole is thriving, while the rich are also seeing a huge increase in real assets.)
Uhh. It was hardly the strongest economy in US history. It was on the DECLINE before Bush was even elected (selected for you people who still think SCOTUS screwed up). Also note that the numbers for the economy now are almost all UP from the end of the Clinton administration. The downturn was SOLELY because of 9-11, an economic crises who's fault is divided among all presidents dating back at least to Reagan, mostly Bush Sr and Clinton.
Admittedly so. So, with your humor and candor aside, if these points (right or wrong) are unimportant, pray tell, what is important in the eyes of a person such as yourself?Yes, yes I am. Do I need to go through every point? This list was laugh worthy back when I first saw it before the 2004 election. I can't believe its still being passed around with so much new material that is much more relavant and important.
Obviously track record and future implications of current policy hold no sway over such a resolute. Please, enlighten us.
btw, still have the "Top 38"
Uhh, when you're talking about real capital, yes. Not a reach at all. Capital is the value of things, and is subject to inflation. You said yourself the crash had a higher percentage loss.
Not sure what you mean by that. Semi-reliable at best information came in while Bush was on vacation. I doubt anyone who saw it thought much of it because similar threats were dismissed by the previous administration, hence, no action taken. Not sure what your point is.Semi-reliable evidence? Sounds strangely familiar yet the action taken is completely different.
LOL. So I have problems because I point out a statement is obviously 100% false in meaning? There is no arguing that statement is not false.Whilst other members have the patience and breadth, I dont believe you do. Watch out my man, lots o lawyers just hanging around...gonna make ya look a little lost on this one.
No, I think it reads exactly as the author intended it to. As written the statement is false. That's not even a reach. It's a reach to state the author meant something other than what was written. You are guessing at the author's intention.You missed the entire point. See what I mean here? Youre having to reeeeeach and make things completely literal to even refute them. You knew what the statement intended, yet you took it literally. Doesnt make the statement false, it makes it sloppy.
Again, the statement as written is false. While there was definitely some mistreatment (not near as much as has been suggested can even come close to being proven by even a proponerance, let along conclusively). I don't preach about "justness". I stick to talking about the legalities of such things since morality and "justness" is purely subjective. Morality makes an interesting debate topic, though.I could care less about -wads in Gitmo, etc. But once again (trend starting here), youre really reaching. They dont qualify? Then dont preach about the "justness" and all this other pseudo-religious about America being better than everyone else. If we truly are, then we would play the war-game with a higher moral standard. But we dont. Not that I care. At all. Not even a little.
Gee, I point out a decline that was known to be taking place, which proves the statement false anyway, and mention the big downturn was caused by failures/choices of at least FOUR Presidents (Reagan thru Bush, Jr), and I'm suddenly blaming JUST Clinton?More Clinton blaming. You bring nothing fresh to this forum and are in serious danger of being lumped in with the other "known quan ies" incapable of thinking for themselves.
Let me guess, you believe everything Michael Moore says?
I'll address the entire list later tonight, when I have time.Admittedly so. So, with your humor and candor aside, if these points (right or wrong) are unimportant, pray tell, what is important in the eyes of a person such as yourself?
Obviously track record and future implications of current policy hold no sway over such a resolute. Please, enlighten us.
btw, still have the "Top 38"
And like I said, there is plenty of stuff to knock Bush for. This particular list is just plain stupid and good for nothing other than a laugh unless you are keen towards hating Bush anywhere.
Please dont. It isnt really worth it anymore. Clearly, you see things differently. America and all that ...I'll address the entire list later tonight, when I have time.
Yeah, I dislike Bush. He is an easy target. He personifies every stereotype a person not born in the south would think an under-educated, redneck cowboy would say and do. Right down to mispronounciations, miscues, misuses and misses entirely. All around, really dumb and fallible.And like I said, there is plenty of stuff to knock Bush for. This particular list is just plain stupid and good for nothing other than a laugh unless you are keen towards hating Bush anywhere.
Yale should be proud.
But, more to the point, it isnt so much that he is a liar of political lore, but that he doesnt even care if you catch him or not. He knows he is so above any means by which any news agency could investigate him or his cabinet, that no matter what scandal, slush fund, phony evidence or international blunder him and his stooges cooked up this past holiday weekend, he is still President and he still wins. With impunity.
Hail King Bush!
Personally, I think if Bush had stayed the out of Iraq like he should have, his first term would have been hailed as a rousing success. This second term has been a HUGE disappointment though.
Please dont. It isnt really worth it anymore. Clearly, you see things differently. America and all that ...
Yeah, I dislike Bush. He is an easy target. He personifies every stereotype a person not born in the south would think an under-educated, redneck cowboy would say and do. Right down to mispronounciations, miscues, misuses and misses entirely. All around, really dumb and fallible.
Yale should be proud.
But, more to the point, it isnt so much that he is a liar of political lore, but that he doesnt even care if you catch him or not. He knows he is so above any means by which any news agency could investigate him or his cabinet, that no matter what scandal, slush fund, phony evidence or international blunder him and his stooges cooked up this past holiday weekend, he is still President and he still wins. With impunity.
Hail King Bush!
I'll skip the rest of the list since you decided you didn't want to see it. I'm sorry if my disgust at the wrong/misleading statements of this list makes you think I'm some over-patriotic-brainwashed-nutjob. Personally I despise with a passion what the US has become and think our government needs to be more like it was 150 years ago or so (pre-Lincoln).
Absolutely, unabashedly true. , I voted for the guy in 00.
No, but I will admit, I was awfully close. I should have framed my questiosn better. I am always labeled a liberal by mooks around here, happens.I'll skip the rest of the list since you decided you didn't want to see it. I'm sorry if my disgust at the wrong/misleading statements of this list makes you think I'm some over-patriotic-brainwashed-nutjob.
Although I cant say I have ever tried to pin-point a 'nirvana' period for future governing, I will say I despise, hate and hold contempt for our government in every facet it operates.Personally I despise with a passion what the US has become and think our government needs to be more like it was 150 years ago or so (pre-Lincoln).
I dont even think this current warped version of American Democracy v5.2 is applicable anymore. Bill of Rights, absolutely (with some seriously updated language). Three Branches of Government, sure. Everything else....scrap it. Start over.
Oh, just so you know, the Michael Moore comment was about believe and propogating misleading statements, etc, not about actual political philosphy. Don't think I was clear when I said that.
Personally I believe in the inverted power structure. The City government should have the most power. The State significantly less. The Federal little more than the UN. Personally I think communism could work within the guidelines of a power structure like that, but it requires a willingness of the federal and state levels to avoid grabbing power.Although I cant say I have ever tried to pin-point a 'nirvana' period for future governing, I will say I despise, hate and hold contempt for our government in every facet it operates.
I dont even think this current warped version of American Democracy v5.2 is applicable anymore. Bill of Rights, absolutely (with some seriously updated language). Three Branches of Government, sure. Everything else....scrap it. Start over.
I would certainly love to start over. Update the Cons ution and Bill of Rights to more modern and clear language, and place absolute restrictions on the power of the government instead of the vaguities that exist now that effectively allow the government to grab more and more power.
The entire federal code of laws certainly needs to be trounced since so many of them violate the 10th amendment.
Yeah, communism has always worked. That's what made
Russia, China and North Korea what it is today. Well okay
China has learned that captialism works a little better since
they now aren't starving people to death. They have to
have other means to lessen the population growth.
Communism works when both the government and the governed are morally perfect. Of course, in that case, anarchy works too.
The ideals of American democracy are an inspiration to the world. The American government as it exists is pretty close to broken.
^^Not really ES. We still have more freedoms than many. Our
country, the people, are just so dead burn divided on nearly
every issue anymore. Always remember, when it comes right down
to it, WE are the government. The idiots in Washington are what
WE elected, whether they be dimm-o-craps or republicans or so
called independents. The can and will be replaced and eventually
things will get back to more repeat more of a norm. Not that
anything in Washington can be normal. I think Texas has the right
idea, just let them meet for 120 days every other year and make
them come home the rest of the time. Lock them out of their
offices. I'm serious.
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