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Spurs scored alot of points. Are you saying change the way they score?
And not for the better.
When in NBA history have the two teams in the NBA Finals both returned with virtually the same rosters and both been ousted before the Finals the next year? I can't think of a time.
But we all know the NBA Finals last year were a disaster financially for the NBA, and so the rules have shifted just enough to make the game harder for the Spurs and the Pistons. The refs called the game to make it harder for teams to play good D, and the Mavs shot the ball better and grabbed more rebounds. Same with the Pistons/Heat series. The game has changed to produce more offense, and that benefits teams like the Mavs and the Suns and the Heat more.
Apparently this is what sells more tickets, so maybe I'm in the minority for feeling disappointed by this. What I LIKE in basketball is good, hardnosed defense. But, as a Spurs fan, I want the Spurs to change, so they can win back their le.
Spurs scored alot of points. Are you saying change the way they score?
I'm not gonna lie, when the Suns are shooting at a high percentage and making all those crazy shots they take, its fun to watch. Those high scoring games are exciting. The only problem is none of the high scoring teams can keep up that insane field goal percentage consistently for a whole game. When I watch them play and they get into a shooting drought its the most awful thing I've ever seen. Its not like the reason they're missing is because of good defense by the other team; its just that they can't hit their shots.
Excuses once again. The spurs were unstoppable on offense. How does that not help their chances as well? You can't touch Duncan without a foul called.
But you can't LOOK at Dirk without a foul called. And in contrast, Dirk could hack someone over the back with a pickaxe and not get called for a foul. It's ing pathetic.
Maybe the nba will change the way they call games. Refs can't make everyone happy.
Touch duncan, no foul. Look at dirk, no foul. Do you like these changes?
And once again, Mavfan meets the whine of the Spurfan with a whine of his own. The circle completes and continues....
Yeah, you're right. Dirk stepped on Duncan at the end of Game 4 and the foul was called. ON DUNCAN. I guess those really are the NBA rules.
its so satisfying that Spurs fans finally get to feel what the rest of the NBA feels when they play the Spurs
it got downright annoying when playing the Spurs coz Duncan would get all the calls and now the tide has changed and look at the Spurs fans whine
Spurs don't need to change anything, really. Luck runs in cycles. so does coaching.
Geez, guys, enough already. All this whining is making us look even worse.
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I am a fan of another team and I, too, am ignorant. Me likey to watch baseketball go in round hooplike object. It go in many more time than spursy ball go in. Me also likey man in zebra shirt with good eyesight. What else I need know?
I don't get why Tim Duncan gets screwed by the refs when he play Dirk though? Tim Duncan has accomplished much more and I'd take Duncan over Dirk to start a franchise. Tim Duncan is a better defender too so shouldn't he get less fouls called on him on defense at least?
Yes, actually. I prefer games that are not over-officiated. I didn't pay to see the referees, and I particularly hate parades to the free throw line in the fourth quarter.Touch duncan, no foul. Look at dirk, no foul. Do you like these changes?
I checked nba.com for the free throws attempted through the semis. Duncan was #1 with 90 FTA, Nowitzki #2 with 80. Unless I'm misreading the stats--possible, because this certainly isn't an area of expertise for me--that's not a big difference, particularly given the style of their games. Of course, Duncan doesn't benefit from going to the FT line because he's not very good at them. I do have a problem with just comparing raw numbers, i.e., number of fouls, because to me there are always other issues: (1) when were the fouls called--was one team allowed to play catch-up from the line, for example; (2) which players were in foul trouble, i.e. somebody important, or a scrub; (3) how much did intentional fouling skew the numbers; and (4) did the officiating in some way alter the flow of the game?
It would be nice not to have to discuss officiating at all. Failing that, I'd like to be able to discuss it without drawing the following accusation: any discussion of officiating means you're a weak, blind homer and can't accept that your team lost. I think the officiating was bad in the semis, but the Spurs had a chance to win every game at the end except Game 2. That's all I can ask for. They didn't execute properly at the end of games and it cost them.
Good post. Miss paxton....if you are who you say you are. I'm a mav fan so you should bite my head off. I'm going to be watching you.
Honesty says duncan was only foul about 12 times.
Dirk was fouled at least 110 times. Having said that, I don't trust the officials.
There have been some subtle changes in the rules. Watch how moving screens arent called around the top of the key during the finals. The star players have always benefited from the refs whistle though, so thats nothing new. But the subtle changes have opened up the lane for more drives to the basket which opens up the offense. Its good for the game and defensive minded teams will adjust. With that said though the rule changes have nothing to do with the Spurs and Pistons not returning to the finals. Spurs got beat by a good team that was equal to them and the Pistons didnt bring it for some reason. They looked like since game 5 vs the Bucks IMO.
So true.
The whining from both sides is awful. Sack up and accept the changes or find a different sport to watch.
nba is only lookin at big market teams, but most of there marketing stats is from america, they dont take stats from outside of america. And plus coverage of nba is limited in other countries, not many ppl will pay for cable tv etc....
im pretty sure the spurs/pistons series attracted alot of views from outside of america.
Dirk gets away with anything. That's why he didn't get MVP. ing crybaby .
Do you know of any other player that has shot 69% in a playoff series? 81 points in a game? 3 players over 30 PPG for the season? A point guard shooting over 50% from the field?
The game has changed. Consider it a falsehood and an excuse all you want, but even David Stern will admit that he tinkered with the rules to get the football out of basketball. The rules on the perimeter are different than two years ago, plain and simple. This leads to higher percentage baskets for fear that the defensive player will foul out of the game.
No one plays defense anymore. Teams that do it longer than 5 minute stretches find themselves on the chopping block. Period.
As a fan, you have to choose if this is what you want to watch in basketball. Each individual team will have to adapt or die. I'm much more impressed by John Starks getting 40 points in 1994 than Kobe getting 80 in 2006 because of the rules.
If every night was a defensive slugfest, setting records in low field goal percentage and combined points per game, then this is the opposite. No one's record is safe in the NBA now, with the exception of Wilt Chamberlain.
Actually, the rules changes affected the Pistons. I'm convinced it's why Larry Brown is in New York right now - he emphasized defense too much and our GM isn't stupid. That transition from a defensive team to the open offense left the Pistons with an iden y crisis the first time they faced adversity in the playoffs.
To say the rules didn't affect who the Pistons signed, who the Pistons hired as coach, and the system they settled on, before this season - it's not true. No matter how indirectly or not, the rules changes led to the Pistons considering an offensive-minded coach.
I'm not whining, but there's a noticable change in the game. People who watch the rim and the ball might think it's just a better offensive flow. I see missed defensive assignments that used to cause me to turn off the Dallas-Sacramento series after a game or so.
I'm a traditionalist - I want deep, capable teams with players filling traditional roles within the offensive and defensive scheme. And this generation's versitility would be used to compliment those traditional roles, thereby making them the best generation of players we have seen up to this point.
I want to see an actual center, whether he's scoring 20 points or not. I want to see a power forward who bangs on the block, even if he can hit the 18-20 footer (Tim Duncan, not Rasheed Wallace). I want to see a point guard that sets everyone up in thier spots, but doesn't get burned at the opposing end (Jason Kidd, not Steve Nash).
Otherwise, why send 5 guys down their to guard them anyway, if all they can do is give these players with amazing first steps, three steps to get by their defender?
I've come to the conclusion after being an active and almost obsessive participant in this league, that the NBA doesn't want me. Before, it was isolation plays and one-star teams that I couldn't take. I wasn't a fan of grind-it-out basketball every single night, but having teams of differing philosophies towards basketball made it interesting to see how teams won the games, who imposed their will, and what players could the best defense not stop. It was something I gained from the game I couldn't see from the highlights.
I could watch 72-70 with as much enthusiasm as 123-121. Learning to watch the action away from the basketball, the spacing between players, stopping plays and seeing who's choice or lapse caused an open shot, these things made the game more fun. Now, it's an endless series of drive and kick, no defensive player stopping the first drive until it hits the paint. Moving without the basketball is back, but ball denial is gone. The layup line has been re-installed at the expense of shot-blocking. I've never seen so many goaltending calls in my life.
I'm all for more run-and-gun. I like to watch the ball in transition. Nothing is prettier in sports. The Princeton offense is a close second. It's an agressive form of offense, and I like agressive basketball - on both ends of the floor. Passing is the most efficent way of getting an open shot. If a defense is allowed to know and have time to adjust to where the ball always is, they are playing into the defense.
The nature of the rules will give an advantage to either A) the defensive player or B) the offensive player. All the NBA has done is emphasize the offensive end. It not only takes away defensive options in terms of not committing a foul, but it also limits that player's agressiveness because they are always thinking about what they can or cannot do to Dwyane Wade or Lebron James. That split second of indecisiveness is all the quick, powerful player needs.
The refs have been crazy this season, and last year, too. Any touching isn't allowed. Basketball has always been a contact sport. Anyone who says differently has never played basketball. And what the NBA has essentially done is take away the contact. It can be entertaining to 6 Billion people around this world, but this basketball fan, someone who's watched the NBA religiously for 70% of his life, finds this mess exactly that - a mess - and something I don't plan on watching.
MJ won games on the with a jumpshot certain teams now are winning it at the line
Didnt say anything about the rule changes affecting with happened off the court for the Pistons. But that has nothing to do with why the Heat beat them. The Heat were the more aggressive team. The Pistons had about a 2 to maybe 3 week stretch of bad basketball. Flip didnt develop his bench. Mainly they missed open shot after open shot. Could have used a post game and a guard who can drive to the basket. Hopefully they will address those needs in the off season.
The Pistons hit the wall and had an iden y crisis because they got away from something successful in the league because of how the league is officiating. I say again, however indirectly, the rules helped knock the Pistons off this year.
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