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Pop sure taught them a lesson...
They contested shots in the paint. They put players on their ass. They negated Diop and Erica's ability to be effective down low.
Nazr and Rasho never would do that. All they had to do was show the willingness in the first game of the series with Dallas that they can manage the middle and maybe they would have gotten playing time and made a difference.
Pop sure taught them a lesson...
More like Zo and Shaq did....
Yeah like Shaq and Zo managed the middle in their 1st 2 games vs Heat.
I agree...
But why is Shaq trying to draw charges a lot of the time? Doesn't make sense...and it's not working because he's always in the restricted area...
Doesn't matter. It's tied now and the best of three.
"Nazr and Rasho never would do that"
Nazr, never. Has no concept of what he needs to do to defend his paint, has zero floor vision, a ing wimp.
But Rasho is pretty damn good at reading a play and getting his ass into the action. He fouls too much, but he rotates well, makes an effort, alters shots.
I agree that he doesn't knock people around but at least he shows up.
Shaq and Zo are playing a combined 45 or 46 minutes per game. They also left Shaq in the game when Dallas went with Dirk at center. Your own logic makes no sense- you say it does not matter because Miami and Dallas are tied at 2-2 each but then you claim that Rasho and Nazr were supposed to prove in a combined 10 minutes in game 1 that they would knock people down. The reason it's working for Miami is because they actually are playing their traditional line-up and have people to contest shots in the paint. I agree with Boutons- Rasho contests shots in the paint. That is his biggest asset on the team.
Spurs shouldve just kept Malik rose, the only reason pop got rid of him was because of his personal vendetta, At least malik wouldve shown up
Then why your contention that it was Rash and Nazrs not showing up in one game that cost them? Following your contention Riley should have benched Shaq and Zo and gone small ball.
Then why your contention that it was Rash and Nazrs not showing up in one game that cost them? Following your contention Riley should have benched Shaq and Zo and gone small ball.
Fabbs, your Hate for Pop is showing.
If Pop had Shaq and Zo, they wouldn't be benched. Period.
After all, Tim's a "big", and Pop didn't bench him, did he?!?
Following that logic, then Tim should have knocking people on their asses.After all, Tim's a "big", and Pop didn't bench him, did he?!?
Fabbs has no logic. He hates Pop because he thinks Pop is the only reason we lost.
I lost track of the OP, though, you are correct. I don't believe the Spurs need to throw people to the ground to win games, sorry. I do believe we had as good a shot as any to win the series without playing Nazr and Rasho. They are not as good on the offensive end as Shaq, either...
No my love for the Spurs is showing. I am going exactly with the threads premiss. Rasho and Nazr didn't "show up" for game 1. Neither did Shaq and Zo. Oh but they did show up in Games 3 and 4.Fabbs, your Hate for Pop is showing.
If Pop had Shaq and Zo, they wouldn't be benched. Period.
After all, Tim's a "big", and Pop didn't bench him, did he?!?
You small ball honks already look silly. Should the Heat go on to win you will have no defense whatsoever. You Pop worshippers will lose 40 lbs with all your backpedalling.
My point is this: Nazr and Rasho are bigs and the moment that it looked like they couldn't handle their assignment, they were doomed. Newsflash people -- they weren't doing their job all season.
The reason why Riley is using his line up in traditional fashion is because his players are stepping up and doing what's asked.
In the two losses, the Heat had no inside presence. Zo was averaging a paltry 5 minutes per game. In the last two games, he has stepped up and made his presence known and that has allowed Shaq to rest up and be fresh when crunch time came.
If you really want to break this down, the Spurs faltered by no big man presence and the fact that THE BENCH SUCKED OUT THE ASS.
And how do you explain the Spurs coming back from being down 3-1 without playing Rasho and Nazr?
Explain how the only game Nazr plays significant minutes, we get blown out and lose HCA.
Bottom line, Tim hits one more free throw, Bruce hits one more open three, or Manu doesn't foul, and no one is talking about Pop.
happens. Pop isn't perfect, but if taking a team to 30 seconds from advancing to the WCF sucks, then Pop sucks.
Oh, yeah, and 2 of our star players fouling out in close games certainly didn't help, either. But, I'm sure that's Pop's fault as well (why were they playing?)
Shaq + Zo > Rasho + Nazr.
Pop with Shaq, Zo and Duncan would beat the Mavs.
But, , Spurs should fire Pop and put you or Aggie in charge. Let's see how many Championships you can win...
Last edited by MadDog73; 06-16-2006 at 11:00 AM.
At least one back to back and probably 4 of 5.
We scored more points and Nazr and Rash did play.
And how do you explain the Spurs coming back from being down 3-1 without playing Rasho and Nazr?
We have a better roster and the offense opened up.
Explain how the only game Nazr plays significant minutes, we get blown out and lose HCA.
Yeah the entire game is all on Nazr. Even if he had one bad game, the answer is to bench him the entire series. Like TD, GNob, all the rest get benched when they have one bad game. oh wait, they don't....
Bottom line, Tim hits one more free throw, Bruce hits one more open three, or Manu doesn't foul, and no one is talking about Pop.
No a lot of us want to see offensive improvement. We think viewing what went wrong and trying to correct it is a good thing. Others think trying to improve is evil. "We must have Pop coaching the same way in 2025, because after all, he won three les 20 years ago." is your chant.
happens. Pop isn't perfect, but if taking a team to 30 seconds from advancing to the WCF sucks, then Pop sucks.
Championship roster means championship is expected of coach. You wanna lower the bar, and you have, go for it.
Oh, yeah, and 2 of our star players fouling out in close games certainly didn't help, either. But, I'm sure that's Pop's fault as well (why were they playing?)
You're mistaken, take that up with Bvetta and company. Oh no don't, because saying anything about the refs shows *a lack of class* It would have been nice to me to have Pop sound off on Novitski and his stoopid assed record setting FT attempts. Someone else said they liked Pops "passsion".
Pop with Shaq, Zo and Duncan would beat the Mavs.
Don't be too sure.
But, , Spurs should fire Pop and put you or Aggie in charge. Let's see how many Championships you can win...
Now for you:
Explain how Nazr played plenty of minutes against a small ball Phx last year and yet he did fine and we won 4-1. Then tell me how bad he sucked against the Pistons and come up with some excuses why that was sooo different.
Write Holt a letter and explain it to him. Maybe you'll get your shot.
Seriously, who would you rather have coaching the Spurs who is available.
Because Nazr played better last year? Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp?
Here are the facts. Distort them as you wish.
Round 2, Game 1: W
Rasho 8:44, 0 pts, 2 reb.
Nazr 1:41, 0 pts, 0 reb.
Game 2: L
Rasho 3:43, 0 pts, 1 reb.
Nazr 11:59, 1 pt, 5 reb
Game 3: L (Duncan fouled out)
Rasho DNP
Nazr 1:10, 0 pts, 0 reb
Game 4: L (Manu fouled out)
Rasho 1 sec?, 0 pts, 0 reb.
Nazr DNP
Game 5: W
Rasho DNP
Nazr DNP
Game 6: W
Rasho DNP
Nazr DNP
Game 7: L
Rasho DNP
Nazr DNP
Last years Champ run vs Phoenix especially.
I and the Pop Could Improvers and you and the Pop Lovers were watching two completely different games. Nazr had some great blocks, steals.
You assert because Shaq and Zo changed their game, it means Rash and Nazr could not. Illogical conclusion.
Nazr and Rasho NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO DO IT. Don't blame them. Blame Pop
I assert because Rash and Nazr suck, they didn't play.You assert because Shaq and Zo changed their game, it means Rash and Nazr could not. Illogical conclusion.
Weak argument if you want to accept the 2005 Champ run.
Great idea, I will write Holt.
Write Holt a letter and explain it to him. Maybe you'll get your shot.
Seriously, who would you rather have coaching the Spurs who is available.
Because Nazr played better last year? Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp?
Here are the facts. Distort them as you wish.
Your stats prove Nazr played 12 minutes total. Wow.
Should I post the stats last year for Nazrs playoff run? That would be some real distortion. He did not change.
Nah, Nazr really, really sucked this season. No amount of bolding will change that.
I think Nazr and Rasho should have played more. The whole smallball thing is getting way too much hype. The Mavs were very successful at it no doubt. However, the Spurs never gave themselves a chance to play their game, which includes Nazr or Rasho in the game for more than five minutes.
I agree that the Spurs should have been a lot more physical with the Mavs. The whole, "we have a lot of respect for one another" caused me to puke. This was the playoffs where you win or go home. The Spurs didn't seem to understand that a lot during that series. They got outhustled. Dallas went to the boards with more fierce than the Spurs.
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