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their fluke run is still over...they might start rebuilding by singing a superstar that can resist the cruelty and torture of the palace of the burned hills.
Bottoms up!
Last edited by Bob Lanier; 06-29-2006 at 02:18 AM.
their fluke run is still over...they might start rebuilding by singing a superstar that can resist the cruelty and torture of the palace of the burned hills.
Well, thank God! Hopefully, Joe did this in order to force Flip to play Delfino so he could develop better.
AMEN
I was scared we were going to keep him this year and end up losing DelFino.
ANALYSIS: Few players who will be picked in the 2006 NBA Draft have less experience than Samb, but that doesn't mean he isn't an exciting prospect. On the contrary, Samb has exhibited shotblocking abilities that would put him among the best rejecters in Europe, if only he had enough experience to play at a higher level. Samb played his first professional season this year in LEB2, which is the third-highest professional league in Spain. He signed a contract with Unelco Tenerife, a club in the ACB, Spain's highest level, but he has competed at lower levels in order to gain experience. In his first season, Samb blocked more shots himself than all but one of the teams in LEB2. He also averaged 9.6 points and 7.7 rebounds, pretty good numbers considering his utter lack of experience. With a normal progression, Samb might be ready to play at Spain's highest level, the ACB, in two more years. In the past, clever NBA teams have selected prospects like Samb and let them develop in Europe for a few years before signing them to play in the NBA. Denver drafted Francisco Elson in 1999, then let him develop for four years in Spain until they felt he was ready for the NBA. Elson has had three productive seasons as a frontcourt reserve for the Nuggets. Perhaps some team will show the same foresight and draft Samb.
pistons made a ty move. evans is much more solid than samb will be. lmfao @ the pistons fan who pretended to be happy about this move.
It looks like Evans' agent asked for him to be traded to somewhere else for more minutes.
So I guess it makes sense.
The guy they got in return is supposed to play overseas for another year or two.
Samb is largely irrelevant; he'll be lucky if he ever makes an NBA roster.
What's important is that Mo Evans is out of town, and either a qualified free agent/trade acquisition or one of the several better players on the Pistons roster will take over the playing time Evans didn't deserve last season.
I find it hard to believe that he'll get any PT on the Lakers. He's basically a very poor man's Devean George, without the defense.
The happiness has nothing to do with Samb. If he makes the teams in 3 years I will be suprised.
99% of Piston fans have been screaming for Delfiino to get playing time over Mo. Evans could hit an occasional open 3. He had some stregnth for some power dunks and could occasionaly fight for a rebound.
But Delfino is much more of a playmaker with better vision, handles, attacking ability, creativeness and explosiveness. And a MUCH better defender.
Mo is a very weak player compared to the abilities that Carlos brings to the table ... but Flip played him IMO because he was familiar and comfortable with him form his days in Minnesota.
This is great news.
darko > 2 scrubs mentioned
Cheick Samb weighs about 180 pounds and he's a better rebounder than Darko ever will be.
ok, so one thing for pistons fans to act happy to move evans. quite another to say samb is anything other than a piece of . i.e... bob
Is this insider info or speculation? IMO the writing was on the wall for Evans. Delfino is Joe's guy, and he was stuck behind Flip's guy (Evans). Last time this situation came up (Michael Curry playing over Tayshaun) Joe traded Curry in the offseason.
This is great for that reason alone. Evans is a half decent player (will be good for LA), but it's worth it in being able to get Delfino minutes and keep him on the roster. If this prospect ever turns into something it's just a bonus.
Last edited by FreshPrince22; 06-29-2006 at 12:54 AM.
That's all it is. Samb will probably never set foot in the NBA and this is still a good move for us because we get to keep (and develop) Delfino. Great for both teams IMO.
Last edited by FreshPrince22; 06-29-2006 at 12:54 AM.
Good pickup for the Lakers.
Not if you watched Evans all last season.
Well, kings fans told us he was a "defensive stopper". I guess we should have known that we have a bit of a different standard when it comes to defense. He was the worst defender on our entire roster. Amir is the only guy who comes close, but we haven't even seen him play much to know and he just turned 19.
To be fair, he was a better defender than Carlos Arroyo (although it's debateable, with the current rules that pretty much make it impossible to check point guards anyway, which one compromised the team defense more).
oh, thats funny? almost as funny as being whooped by the underrated heat huh?Well, kings fans told us he was a "defensive stopper". I guess we should have known that we have a bit of a different standard when it comes to defense
He provides a nice spark off the bench, he'll get much more time in LA than he did in Detroit. He has potential to be a pretty good defender, I bet he will be a good defender under Phil Jackson. Jackson really stresses defense to his teams, I doubt Flip Saunders did much teaching on the defensive end this year. He hasn't been taught how to play defense, the only coaches he's ever had are Adelman and Saunders, guys that aren't exactly know for defense.
The Flip argument holds merit, although I'm not sure how many career journeymen suddenly become lockdown defenders at 28. Unlike a Bruce Bowen, he isn't very tall, isn't very laterally quick, and doesn't have good instincts. Undersized, slow, and lacking basketball IQ isn't a great combination for "potential to be a pretty good defender", and definitely not a "really good" defender.
Basically, he's a poor man's Devean George, and the Lakers already have the real thing. So, unless they want to play both of them simultaneously, just where are these minutes to provide a spark going to come from?"We're continuing to bolster our backcourt. Where he fits into the lineup, we'll wait and see," Kupchak said regarding Evans. "We still feel we can use a little more help in the backcourt." Kupchak called Evans "a really good defensive presence, a better shooter than people think."
Edit: Devean George is apparently a free agent. Still, with Luke Walton, Vujacic, and if he has anything left in the tank, McKie, it's hard to see where he fits in.
Eh - I like the Lakers; best of luck to both them and him. I hope he resurrects his career and has a good life. But unrealistic expectations are part of the reason many of the Detroit fans you'll find seem to hold a grudge against him, and if I were a Laker fan I wouldn't be overly optimistic.
Last edited by Bob Lanier; 06-29-2006 at 02:05 AM.
"We felt there just weren't going to be enough minutes" for Evans, Dumars said. "His agent called and said they might want to be somewhere where more minutes would be available, and we tried to make that happen."
Sounds like Joe had a little meeting with Evans to tell him that Delfino would be playing most of the minutes, and that he would be an insurance guy. Hence the "going to be" part of the quote. Either that or Bonzi is on his way
Either situation is a huge step up from playing Flip's boyfriend. I could deal with Mo in an insurance role only, but not as our main backup with Delfino sitting there rotting.
Does pretty good defender = lockdown defender? No
You seem to know an awful lot about Evans even though he only played like 5 min. a game for the Pistons. Low basketball IQ, not laterally quick, and bad instincts?
BTW, Devean George sucks ass now, and I believe he's a free agent. I doubt that the Lakers resign him, why would they? Besides I'd rather take Evans anyways, especially for the price.
He's never been anything close to even a good defender. He was a bad defender in Detroit with the Wallaces behind him, and I can't possibly imagine he was better in Sacramento with that fierce intimidator Brad Miller protecting the rim. Blame the poor team defense on Flip if you like (God knows I do) but that didn't stop several Pistons from having excellent individual defensive seasons. Carlos Delfino, for instance, managed to play pretty damn good defense in spite of Flip's disdain; Maurice Evans managed to get lit up in spite of Flip's encouragement. Can Phil Jackson make him better? Well...
Evans played 15 minutes a game for the Pistons, and for most of the season was the seventh man. He was also Flip's most trusted bench player, and would be used in wildly inappropriate situations (trying to guard players he obviously couldn't, playing way out of position, playing above starters in the clutch) for seemingly no reason, but based on the way he was used in the regular rotation, those are my observations. It doesn't take long for anyone to realize his physical limitations playing either of the swing positions in the modern NBA, but I believe I had a sufficient sample to characterize his intangible limitations, yes.You seem to know an awful lot about Evans even though he only played like 5 min. a game for the Pistons.
McCosky's take on the situation is up. Read at your own risk.
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