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inquiry was started by Spanish not French, during Giro.
The question is: all "best" riders on drugs, yet couldn't challenge armstrong?
So, let's see.
Lance Armstrong has retired after seven straight wins, yet the French media is still trying to smear his legacy with drug allegations.
Ivan Basso, who finished second last year, is out in a drug inquiry.
Jan Ullrich, who finished third last year, it out in the same drug inquiry.
Francisco Mancebo, who finished fourth last year, retired when his suspension was announced.
And Alexander Vinokourov, who was fifth last year, wasn't suspended but the rest of his team was, leaving him unable to start as well.
Coincidence that ALL the top five from last year are suddenly out, one day before the start of this year's Tour de France? Right...
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf200...ory?id=2505973
inquiry was started by Spanish not French, during Giro.
The question is: all "best" riders on drugs, yet couldn't challenge armstrong?
Armostrong was dopped to.... Bode Miller says this after the Olympic Games of Turin... The real thing is people KILL Marco Pantani, who wasn't found dopped but only with the ematocrith at 51)
Armstrong was the greatest bicycle rider of his time, but he was no Virgin Mary.
Lance Armstrong = Never failed a drug test as the most tested athlete in the world.
Lance Armstrong = Has never failed to win a libel case or challenge against doping allegations.
Until he actually gets busted,...like Jan Ulrich did 8 years ago, or at least loses a challenge against one of his accusers...it's all idle and ungrounded speculation. And if anything the evidence points otherwise.
Armstrong is a prick, it's easy to see why he would rub a lot of people the wrong way...he rubbed me the wrong way, but not enough to detract from my enjoyment of him sticking it to the French.
Oh BTW...the Tour De France has had doping issues since it's first or second year in existence...back then it was strychnine and cocaine.
If Lance is doping...whatever it may be, I doubt very seriously he is taking any kind of steroids...since most steroids are linked to causing cancer...and since Lance has already had cancer in over 50% of his body...I doubt very seriously he wants to relive that experience...and he probably wouldn't take them after he no longer had too...would you?
As for Epo...Lance already has one of the lowest heart rates in the world, what does he need it for?
Did any of them survive being diagnosed with cancer in over 50% of their body, including their brain and lungs?
Ever read his story? When he was going through the chemotherapy for his expected terminal cancer he would get on an exercise bike in his room and just ride and ride and ride...
If you can outride death, you can damn sure outride drugs.
And even if they are all on drugs then it's an even playing field at worst...
But perhaps Ulrich has only now started doping again, his window is closing, he has been busted before you know. Unlike Lance Armstrong...................and don't say they haven't been trying to bust him.
And exactly why would Armstrong let Miller know this?
That's almost as ludicrous and LeMond's claims that Armstrong admitted it to him...
I mean if someone was trying to destroy your career...would he be the one you admitted drug usage too?
How many times Carl Lewis failed? Never. And what was heard last years?
Has Marion Jones ever failed?
Remember Greek athlets prior to Athen games. It is hard to be top with todays chemicals. And there is always grey zone.
BTW: is it natural to have muscles as James had when he was 18? And key word is natural.
You know how many times Lance was tested last year in the TDF?
They'd be holding the cup for him to piss in before he even got off the bike...
Clean every time, at the age of 33, with tests available to test for EPO, HGH, etc.
What more do you want?
I repeat, what more do you want?
Sure...BTW: is it natural to have muscles as James had when he was 18? And key word is natural.
Is what Eddy Merckx did natural?
You can't be judge and jury with no proof just because of freak athleticism.
I mean basically you are saying it's not possible for someone to be a better athlete than everyone else.
It is most certainly possible.
Fact : Armstrong was a cheater. It has been proven that he has taken drugs in 99.
Now, I don't care that he wasn't the only one (it's not because others cheat that you had to cheat) or that he came back from the cancer (it's a great story but it's not a reason to cheat).
Armstrong didn't deserve to win, plain and simple.
It's amazing how they arguably busted him with questionable 8 year old samples....
Did any court uphold that verdict?
How come they couldn't catch him last year at the age of 33...testing him right after he got off the bike, and more than any other rider was tested in that tour.
He did them at 26 but not at 33? Get real.
It's not a fact that Armstrong failed a drug test.
It's a fact that he has never failed a cleanly administered drug test.
That's the fact, Jack!
It's a fact that France did everything in their power to catch him at cheating, including engaging in some highly questionable ethics, that reflect much worse on France than Armstrong, and have never been able to do so.
Deal with it.
It has be proven by hair analysis. Don't deny facts.how was this proven
by l'equipe ???
Nobody has removed his victories but everybody knows that he didn't deserve to win in 99 (at least).
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...ight=armstrong
Report clears Armstrong of doping in 1999 Tour de France
Wednesday May 31, 2006
By ARTHUR MAX
Associated Press Writer
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) Dutch investigators cleared Lance Armstrong of doping in the 1999 Tour de France on Wednesday, and blamed anti-doping authorities for misconduct in dealing with the American cyclist.
A 132-page report recommended convening a tribunal to discuss possible legal and ethical violations by the World Anti-Doping Agency and to consider ``appropriate sanctions to remedy the violations.''
The French sports daily L'Equipe reported in August that six of Armstrong's urine samples from 1999, when he won the first of his record seven-straight Tour les, came back positive for the endurance-boosting hormone EPO when they were retested in 2004.
Armstrong has repeatedly denied using banned substances.
The International Cycling Union appointed Dutch lawyer Emile Vrijman last October to investigate the handling of urine tests from the 1999 Tour by the French national anti-doping laboratory, known by its French acronym LNDD.
Vrijman said Wednesday his report ``exonerates Lance Armstrong completely with respect to alleged use of doping in the 1999 Tour de France.''
http://ktsa.com/topic/ap_news.php?s...g-1485748038-ss
Armstrong wins settlement:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling/...810321,00.html
Armstrong wins settlement
Staff and agencies
Saturday July 1, 2006
The Guardian
The Sunday Times has settled with Lance Armstrong after he sued the paper for libel over a 2004 article which referred to a book, LA Confidential - The Secrets of Lance Armstrong.
In a high-court hearing, Mr Justice Gray ruled that the meaning of the article as a whole implied that Armstrong had taken drugs to enhance his performance. He rejected arguments for the paper that the words conveyed no more than the existence of reasonable grounds to suspect.
8 years ago EPo test didn't exist, plain and simple.
Dopping is a race between cheaters and tests and cheaters always fin a new way to cheat : lately it was self blood transfusion.
you must be dumb (or poor) to be caught in a test and I didn't say he cheats in 2005.
False, there are rules on who is testing and when. Armstrong has been tested a lot because he ahd the yellow jersey not because he was armstrong. And for every guy who is tested, it's just after the end of the stage.
Not taken, not guilty .... great mentality.
Basso hasn't failled a drug test too.
And it's the CIA who has killed JFK.
Please, get a clue before speaking about france.
Fact : he has taken drugs in 99.
Fact : nothing can be done against him.
This book was based on revelations from his masseuse who wasn't french. Lack of proofs was the reason he won.
The funny thing is...not only has he never failed a publicly administered test...he's never even had a questionable test.
The best they could do is come up with some 8 year old samples(all from tests he passed cleanly when they were originally given)...
And what was the result? Cycling's own body exonerating him and an investigation into the ethics of those that came up with those results.
Again...how come they didn't get him last year? They tested him more than any cyclist on the tour...he passed, if he's doping, then who is clean?
The International Cycling Union appointed Dutch lawyer Emile Vrijman last October to investigate the handling of urine tests from the 1999 Tour by the French national anti-doping laboratory, known by its French acronym LNDD.
And it's the CIA who has killed JFK.
Please, get a clue before speaking about france.
Why should I? Not having a clue doesn't stop every clown whose ever seen a Hollywood Western or Action Movie from thinking they are an expert on America.
And BTW, Basso hasn't been proven to dope yet either...
Basically these guys are banned while there is an investigation underway...convenient timing don't you think?
Who benefits the most from this I wonder?
Conspiracy against Armsttong
Fact : Armstrong has taken drugs in 99.
And UCI has a dark at ude towards dopping.
He cheats in 99. For 2005, maybe but maybe not.
Nothing has been proven for 2005, until a proof, Armstong hasn't taken drigs in 2005.
Well he was the oldest man to win the tour since before WWII last year...if he was going to dope last year would have been the time to do it.
If a doped Armstrong is good enough to be the oldest man to win it in the modern era...doesn't that mean he would have been good enough to win it cleanly younger?
Just be sure to question and judge this years winner and the winner every year thereafter the same way Lance gets questioned...Passing tests, then making excuses for why the tests aren't good enough.
Be sure to save all the samples from every rider in the tour for 10-20 years after they won, to be sure they weren't doping as well.
EPO's been around since the mid 60's and easily available since the 80's.
Let's bust out the Merckx and Hinault samples from 20 years ago...
Your only way to deal with this dumb people is to be as dumb as them ?
There is a proof that Basso has taken drugs (a list from a doctor). Maybe he is innocent but it's unlikely.
This story take place in Spain and has nothing to do with France.
The last time a french guy had a chance to win the tour de France, it was in 98. This guy has been waived during the tour because drugs where find in a car of his team. And this guy hasn't failed a drug test.
Doesn't EPO cause heart failure in even healthy athletes?
Hmmm Chemotherapy definitely weakens the heart and leads to heart failure as well...
Yeah I can just imagine Lance sucking down the EPO that causes heart failure, right after getting chemotherapy...because obviously, as his survival of cancer proves...he hates being alive. He survived Cancer so he could kill himself with Epo....
He wants to die to much he continued to EPO even after winning his 6th TDF and setting the record.
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