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Ah the "all Muslims are bad" angle surfaces yet again.
So why are we helping them?
Islam: the Facade and the Facts
By Abdullah Al Araby
Jump to: Change of Iden y Change of Vocabulary Change of Strategy
Stage of Weakness Mohammed in Mecca The Facts
The Facade
The "Islam" that Muslim activists introduce to the West these days is completely different from the Islam we knew and experienced in the Middle East. This is a new edition - revised, modified, expanded and abridged - of the real Islam. A major facelift operation has been taking place here.
To their credit, I must acknowledge that the international Islamization movement, in recent years, has grown much in both intelligence and sophistication. They lacked power, so they decided to be smart. Since they could no longer use the sword to conquer the world, as they once did, they decided to use more cunning methods, taking advantage of democracy in the West.
The following are some of the methods Muslim activists are now adopting:
Change of Iden y
Muslim activists in the West avoid referring to teachings that may offend the Western citizen, such as the Islamic code of punishment.
They stress that they believe in Moses and Jesus. They refrain from calling Jews and Christians "infidels", nor would they call them "Zionists" or "Crusaders".
The last thing they want to do is to shock people. They once had a Muslim host on their TV. program with a Christian name, "Paul"; names like Mohammed, Mustafa and Omar were too strong to swallow they thought. They use the term "Sunday School" in place of "Friday Class", and they end their speeches with the Christian expression "may God bless you".
They boast about being Americans, and have the American flag cover the background of their program set. This is the same flag Muslims burn in their daily rituals in Islamic countries, calling America "The great Satan".
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Change of Vocabulary
Instead of living in isolation from society, they are using now a completely new terminology. Words like love, grace... are now part of their vocabulary. Theological Christian terms such as : Salvation, Justification and Sanctification are now part of their teachings.
They change Quranic translations to hide some of Islam's harsh teachings.
An example is the new French translation of the Quran which has caused tremendous furor among Muslim fundamentalists. The translation attempted to please Jews by modifying some verses of the Quran that condemned Jews. An example is a verse that used to read "The people of Israel, after sowing corruption twice on earth for the purpose of dominating other people, will push themselves up into a position of extreme power before being punished by God."
The new translation reads just the opposite: "The people of Israel will be twice destroyed as an innocent victim, and God will reward them by elevating them to great heights."
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Change of Strategy
Their new strategy lies in trying to be accepted, included and involved in all activities; religious, social and political.
They are now becoming active in partisan functions in order to have a say in parties platforms. They conduct letter compaigns to members of Congress to influence legislation. They run for public offices in hope of reaching a position of authority. They make full use of their voting power to get concessions in their favor. They try to be represented on educational programs to go in line with their beliefs.
The stage of weakness and the stage of Jihad (Holy War)
It seems that these new tactics we discussed are not without precedent in Islamic history. Mohammed Hassanein Heikal, the noted Egyptian author, refers to this concept in his book "Autumn Furor". He states:
"So the element of Jihad emerged in the ideology of Abul Aala Almaudoody. He went on to differentiate between two separate stages a Muslim community goes through:
"The stage of weakness - In it a Muslim community is unable to take charge of its own destiny. In this case - according to his thinking - they must withdraw for the purpose of preparing themselves to be capable of executing the second stage.
"The second stage is the Jihad stage, and it will come when the Muslim community has completed its prepardness and is ready to come out of its isolation to take charge, through Jihad.
"In this, Abul Aala Almaudoody was making a comparison between the two stages of weakness and Jihad on the one hand, and on the other hand, Mohammed's struggle in Mecca then in Medina."
Mohammed in Mecca and Mohammed in Medina
Historians agree that there is a big difference between Mohammed's personality in Mecca and his personality after his migration to Medina.
In Mecca Mohammed was weak, struggling to be accepted, often mocked at and ridiculed. He tried to appeal to the people of Mecca by being compassionate and loving. His teachings condemned violence, injustice, neglect of the poor. However, after he moved to Medina and his followers grew in strength and number, he became a relentless warrior, intent on spreading his religion by the sword.
This change in Mohammed's personality becomes apparent by comparing the Meccan and the Medinan surahs. The following are some examples:
In surah 73:10 God tells Mohammed to be patient with his opponents "Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously." While in surah 2:191 God orders him to kill his opponents "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out..."
In surah 2:256 God tells Mohammed not to impose Islam by force "There is no compulsion in religion." While in verse 193 God tells him to kill whoever rejects Islam "Fight (kill) them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's."
In surah 29:46 God tells Mohammed to speak nicely to people of the Book (Christians and Jews) "Argue with people of the Book, other then evil doers, only by means of what are better! and say, we believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you. Our God is the same as your God, and we are surrendered to him." While in surah 9:29 God tells him to fight the people of the Book, "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day...and fight People of the Book, who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior."
To justify this sudden change in the Quran's mood from peaceful to militant, conciliatory to confrontational, Mohammed claimed that it was God who told him so. It was God who abrogated the peaceful verses and replaced them by harsh ones.
However the truth of the matter, as Almaudoody puts it, is that Mohammed became strong enough to move from the stage of weakness to the stage of Jihad.
Today, in the West, we are witnessing the Islamic stage of weakness, but lets not be fooled, the stage of Jihad is coming sooner or later. This meek little lamb will turn out to be a ravening wolf, the sweet melodious "Baa Baa" will change to a thunderous roar.
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The Facts
The following are some real teachings of Islam:
Men are superior to women (surah 2:228).
Women have half the rights of men: in court witness (surah 2:282) and in inheritance
(surah 4:11).
A man may punish his wife by beating her (surah 4:34).
A man may marry up to four wives at the same time (surah 4:3).
A wife is a sex object for her husband (surah 2:223).
Muslims must fight until their opponents submit to Islam (surah 9:29).
A Muslim must not take a Jew or a a Christian for a friend (surah 5:51).
A Muslim apostate must be killed (surah 9:12).
Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands (surah 5:38).
Adultery is punished by public flogging (surah 24:2).
Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet
(surah 5:33).
Fate decides everyone's eternal destination (surah 17:13).
Every Muslim will pass through (surah 19:71).
Heaven in Islam is the place where a Muslim will be reclining, eating meats and delicious fruits, drinking exquisite wines, and engaging in sex with virgins (surah 55:54- 56) &
(surah 52:17,19).
Ah the "all Muslims are bad" angle surfaces yet again.
So why are we helping them?
I think the article critiqued the religion and not the arab race.
Christian Germany and Balkans started WWI
Christian Germany/Austria started WWII, and Christian Germany, Austria, Poland, France, etc exterminated the Jews.
Christian USA invaded Viet Nam, which was no threat to USA
Christian USA invaded Iraq, which was no threat to USA
Is Christianity a peaceful religion?
Wow,
what intellectual feat you've accomplished!
Akeeeeew..........if you think Christianity hasn't conquered by the sword then...............
The only major religon I have heard that hasn't conquered by the sword is Judasim.
Surah 3:195:Men are superior to women (surah 2:228).
Women have half the rights of men: in court witness (surah 2:282) and in inheritance
(surah 4:11).
"Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female, you are equal to one another"
2:256“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.”Muslims must fight until their opponents submit to Islam (surah 9:29).
Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet
(surah 5:33).
I can find more............BTW, try posting the real lines..................
islam is as peaceful as oakland
"Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " 3:826
Btw, christ never commanded that christianity be spread through the sword. Christianity was spread through evangelization.
THe difference between cHRISTIANITY an Islam is that if a christian kills muslims in the name of JEsus, he is in violation of the New Testament and God's law.
But if a muslim kills a christian for the sake of Allah, The Prophet mohammed through his writ, assures his place in heaven.
So why are we helping them?
They follow the religion you are condemning.
That's Hadith.............Anything in the Quarn > Hadith, in Islam.
For Christianity see:Btw, christ never commanded that christianity be spread through the sword. Christianity was spread through evangelization.
Btw, christ never commanded that christianity be spread through the sword. Christianity was spread through evangelization.
THe difference between cHRISTIANITY an Islam is that if a christian kills muslims in the name of JEsus, he is in violation of the New Testament and God's law.
But if a muslim kills a christian for the sake of Allah, The Prophet mohammed through his writ, assures his place in heaven
The Crusades
Imperilization (The Americas, Africa, Asia, Middle East)
Manifest Destiny(The Americas)
Basically, Christians have killed in the name of Christ throughout history and Muslims have killed in the name of Allah throughout history. That isn't too hard to get..........
http://www.submission.org/christians/call-jews.html
^^^ This basically gives verses from the Quran regarding Jews and Christians..............
I'm pretty sure Christianity doesn't condone the killing of others for conversion. I'm assuming since there are various lines in the Quran saying there is no compulsion in religon and no one is allowed to kill no what matter what, your statement is false. Also, I'm thinking you got that part mixed up. I'm pretty sure you meant to say that a martyr fighting in the name of Allah will be assured to heaven. You can only be a martyr in Islam if you wage Jihad - Holy War - A Muslim is being physically attacked due to their religon or country - and die while in battle.THe difference between cHRISTIANITY an Islam is that if a christian kills muslims in the name of JEsus, he is in violation of the New Testament and God's law.
But if a muslim kills a christian for the sake of Allah, The Prophet mohammed through his writ, assures his place in heaven.
maybe, we help them because of their oil? maybe?
The only peaceful major world religion is Buddhism, and I would argue that it's not a religion at all, since there is no worship of the divine, but rather the dissemination of the way to reach a state of enlightenment that can be attained by any man. Buddha is not God, and doesn't claim to be.
The Jewish people, while they don't use violence to convert, have used it to achieve their ends from Joshua to today. They are by no means pacifists. The violence of Islam and Christianity are well do ented and don't need to be repeated so much as acknowledged.
YOu completely missed the point.
THe crusades were are condemned by the New Testament.
THe Islamic Jihads that were waged to spread the religion were sanctioned by the Medina verses of the Quran.
Whatever peacefull verses you find in the earlier MEccan verses in the Quran, they are nullified by the Newer Medina Verses in that same Quran.
If you were to tell an honest Muslim Scholar in private that Jihad is only to be waged in defense and not in offense, he'd laugh in your face. The whole Quran is about the waging of war and pillaging of war.
I will post you an article on this doctrine of abrogation.
The Quran's Doctrine of Abrogation
Prepared by Abdullah Al Araby
In an attempt to polish Islam's image, Muslim activists usually quote verses from the Quran that were written in the early days of the Islamic movement while Mohammed lived in Mecca. Those passages make Islam appear loving and harmless because they call for love, peace and patience. Such is a deception. The activists fail to tell gullible people that such verses, though still in the Quran, were nullified, abrogated, rendered void by later passages that incite killing, decapitations, maiming, terrorism and religious intolerance. The latter verses were penned while Mohammed’s headquarters was based in Medina.
When speaking with people of Christianized/Western societies, Muslim activists deliberately hide a major Islamic doctrine called "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated). This simply means that in situations wherein verses contradict one another, the early verses are overridden by the latter verses. The chronological timing in which a verse was written determines its authority to establish policies within Islam. Non-Muslims cannot afford to be ignorant about the full implications of the Abrogator and the Abrogated Doctrine (al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh). When Islamic spokesmen say that Islam is a religion of peace and that the Quran does not support such things as human rights infractions, gender bias and terrorism, they are lying. This means that the Western politicians and liberal journalists, who continually spout that Islam is a noble religion of peace, are in reality propagating a deception that they have been deceived into parroting.
This presents problems for naïve people who are not familiar with Islam and the Quran. They don’t know that the surahs/chapters of the Quran are not arranged in chorological order in regard to the timing in which they were written. Therefore an activist who is out to deceive them can turn to various places throughout the Quran and read verses that sound peaceful, tolerant, reasonable and loving. The impression is that the entire Quran promotes peace, love, equality and tolerance for all. That is far from the truth. Most Muslims fully understand that the few Quranic verses that seemingly promote equality, peace and justice are more often than not overridden/ nullified by later verses that validate such things as terrorism and legalistic restrictions on routine human and women’s rights.
THE DOCTRINE OF THE ABROGATOR AND THE ABROGATED IN THE QURAN (Al Nasikh Wal Mansoukh)
This doctrine is based on two verses that Allah allegedly instructed Mohammed to put into the Quran.
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We subs ute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" Surah 2: 106
"When We subs ute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not." Surah 16:101
The do entation for the information that I am offering in this piece is found in one of Islam's classical reference books in the Arabic language. It is led "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (The Abrogator and the Abrogated) and was authored by the revered Muslim scholar Abil-Kasim Hibat-Allah Ibn-Salama Abi-Nasr. The book goes through every Surah (chapter) in the Quran and cites in great detail every verse that was cancelled-out/overridden by particular verses that were written later. The author noted that out of 114 Surahs (chapters) of the Quran, there are only 43 Surahs that were not affected by this concept. The implications are very revealing. It means that those who would be inclined to accept the Quran as reliable can take only 43 chapters of the Quran at face value. The majority of its chapters cannot be taken at face value. The cancelled verses are mixed in with the authoritative verses and only schooled Islamist know which is which.
The following are English translation excerpts from the reference book’s original Arabic
THREE KINDS OF ABROGATION:
1) Verses in which both the wording and application were abrogated/nullified.
There is an example of this found in a narration by Ans Ibn Abdel Malik. He said that during the life of Mohammed, they used to read a Surah that was equal in size to that of Surah 9 (the repentance). He further stated that he only remembered one verse from that Surah/chapter. - “If the son of Adam has two valleys of gold he would covet to have a third one, if he has three he would covet to have a fourth one. Nothing would fill the belly of the son of Adam except dirt, and Allah would accept the repentance of those who repent.”
Another example is the narration of Ibn Abdullah Ibn Massoud. He said that Mohammed recited a verse for him that he memorized and wrote in his Quran. When he checked his Quran the following day, he discovered that the verse had disappeared. Mohammed explained what had happened to ibn Massoud. He told him that the verse had been lifted during the previous day.
2) Verses in which the wording was abrogated (nullified) but the application was not.
These are verses wherein the wording was nullified, but the inferences/possible applications of those words remained intact.
There is an example of this form in a narration about Omar Ibn Al Khattab. He said, “If I didn’t hate that people would say we added to the Quran which was not part of it, I would have insisted in including the verse of stoning. By God we have recited it by the Apostle of God.”
3) Verses in which the application was abrogated (nullified), but the wording was not.
These are verses wherein the wording remained the same, but the authority to consider such in the formation of Islamic polices were nullified
There are sixty-three Surahs/chapters in the Quran that mention such things as praying in the direction of Jerusalem, regulations about fasting and the forgiveness that is available to polytheists
FOUR DEGREES OF ABROGATION
1. Surahs that were not influenced by applications of the doctrine of the Abrogator and the Abrogated. (43 Surahs)
Surahs 1, 12, 36, 49, 55, 57, 61, 62, 66, 67, 68, 69, 71, 72, 77, 78, 79, 82, 83, 84, 85, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 104, 105, 106, 107,109, 108, 110, 112, 113, and 114
2. Surahs that maintained the authority of the Abrogator, but their original wording was not abrogated/nullified.(6 Surahs)
Surahs 48, 59, 63, 64, 65, and 87
3. Surahs that had their wording abrogated/nullified, but maintained their authority for applications. (40 Surahs)
Surahs 6, 7 10, 11, 13, 15 16 17, 18, 20, 23, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 51, 53, 54, 60, 68, 70, 74, 75, 76, 77, 86, 80, 88, and 109
4. Surahs that have had both their authority for applications and their wording abrogated. (24 Surahs)
Surahs 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 14, 18, 19, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 33, 34, 40, 42, 51, 52, 56, 58, 73, 103, and 108
THE VERSE OF THE SWORD
The verse that Abrogated (nullified) the Peace Verses.
An example of the abrogation: There are 124 versus that call for tolerance and patience that have been cancelled and replaced by one, single verse. This verse is called the verse of the sword:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5
Verses that support the verse of the Sword
1) “Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of believers” (Surah 9:14).
2) “O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque” (Surah 9:28).
3) “The Jews call ‘Uzayr a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” (Surah 9:30).
4) “O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is – an evil refuge indeed” (Surah 9:73).
5) “O ye who believe! Fight the Unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him” (Surah 9:123).
Some of the verses abrogated by the verse of the Sword:
1) “Those who believe (in the Qua’an), and the Christians and the Sabians – any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve” (Surah 2:62).
2) “Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become manifest unto them: but forgive and overlook, till Allah accomplish his purpose” (Surah 2:109).
3) “But because of their breach of their Covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them – barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind” (Surah 5:13).
4) “Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah” (Surah 6:70).
5) “But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah” (Surah 8:61)
6) “And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury); but say, ‘We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)” (Surah 29:46).
7) “And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): worship none but Allah” (Surah 2:83).
8) “Say: Will ye dispute with us about Allah, seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord; that we are responsible for our doings and ye for yours; and that we are sincere (in our faith) in Him?” (Surah 2:139)
9) “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors” (Surah 2:190)
10) “But fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there” (Surah 2:191)
11) “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful” (Surah 2:192).
12) “But there is no compulsion in religion” (Surah 2:256).
13) “So if they dispute with thee, say: ‘I have submitted my whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me,’ And say to the People of the Book and so to those who are unlearned: ‘do ye (also) submit yourself? If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message” (Surah 3:20).
14) “Let not the Believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourself from them” (Surah 3:28).
15) “Those men – Allah knows what is in their hearts; so keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their souls” (Surah 4:63) .
16) “He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: but if any turn away, we have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds)” (Surah 4:80).
17) “But Allah records their nightly (plots): so keep clear of them, and put thy trust in Allah” (Surah 4:81).
18) “Then fight in Allah’s cause – thou art held responsible only for thyself” (Surah 4:84).
19) “Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore, if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of ) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them)” (Surah 4:90).
20) “O ye who believe! Violate not the sanc y of the Symbols of Allah, nor of the Sacred Month” (Surah 5:2).
Other verses that were abrogated by the verse of the sword:
Surah 5: 99
Surah 6: 66; 104; 106- 108; 112; 135; 158
Surah 7:183; 199
Surah 10: 41, 46, 99, 108, 109
Surah 11: 121
Surah 13: 40
Surah 15: 3, 85, 88, 94
Surah 16: 82, 125, 127
Surah 17: 54
Surah 19: 84
Surah 20: 130, 135
Surah 22: 68
Surah 23: 54, 96
Surah 24: 54
Surah 28: 55
Surah 30: 60
Surah 32: 30
Surah 33:48
Surah 34: 25
Surah 39: 15
Surah 41: 34
Surah 42: 6, 15, 48
Surah 43: 83, 89
Surah 44: 59
Surah 45: 14
Surah 46: 35
Surah 50: 39
Surah 52: 48
Surah 53: 29
Surah 58: 8-9, 11
Surah 73: 10
Surah 76: 8
Surah 86: 17
Surah 88: 22- 24
Surah 109: 6
One cannot help but wonder; why was there a need for changes in the Quran, if it really contained God’s words? If Allah is indeed all-powerful and all-knowing, why would he need to revise and correct himself so often?
How many versions of the Bible are there?
Okay bro whatever you win..........,but
You have to take it in what context it is and that's during the times of the Quyrash(sp) and the Muslims. Almost all of those commands to go and fight the pageans are direct consequences from what the Quyarsh did to the Muslims.
There is a good example. The Muslims postponed any type of battle or hardship vs. the Quyrash during the forbidden month AKA Ramadan, where there should virtually be no sinning if possible. After or during the last days Ramadan was over according to Islamic history the Quyrash broke a treaty with the Muslims and there battles continued."But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5
e20 i thot u was a lil gangsta but u kno yo about religion thats fo sho
Abdullah Al Araby is a pen name. He is a Christian who was born and lived a considerable part of his life in the Islamic world.
He is also a main contributor to the website, Islam Review, it is a Christian Ministry.
Islam ReviewThis site is about Islam, not Muslims. It is to demonstrate that the fundamental teachings of Islam are incompatible with the Christian faith, and the American way of life. We realize, however, that there are Muslims who may have different interpretations, and thus do not follow these teachings to the letter. Nothing in this site is written with the intention of offending anyone. Our objective is only to present the truth with love and humility.
"the fundamental teachings of Islam are incompatible with the Christian faith,"
What's wrong with that? American "Christianity" is fundamentally incompatible with the bulk of science. Christian extremists, benighted in their extremism into believing their mullahs' political hustling, jiving, and marketing, will trash ANYTHING contrary to their extreme distortion of Christianity.
Last edited by boutons_; 07-09-2006 at 07:58 AM.
[QUOTE]Poor analogy bouts. Apples and oranges.
...and Christianity is not validated on whether it's perceived to be compatible with science. (not sure whether you intended that to be a slam on Christianity).
I don't know, maybe it's the fact that you don't see Orthodox Christians running around the globe blowing people up and waging jihad on anyone who doesn't see it their way.
Just a guess.
THANK YOU. You rule, dude.
Who blows up abortion clinics?
Slobodan Milosovic.
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