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Why is Erik Williams a definite?
After the signing of Elson, the Spurs currently have 14 players with guarenteed contracts. However, there can only be 12 players on the active roster. Which two will sit out?
One will definently be Eric Williams, but who will be the other?
Why is Erik Williams a definite?
Rich Melzer is on the list or no?
I say Oberto and Sanders...and Melzer if he makes the team.
Nah, if Melzer makes the team, Sanders probably won't. So I think it'll be Eric Williams, Oberto, Jacque Vaughn.
PG: Parker/Udrih
SG: Ginobili/Barry
SF: Bowen/Finley
PF: Duncan/Bonner/Horry
C: Elson/Butler/Oberto
IR:Williams, Vaughn, Melzer
So, it pretty much looks like this:
Parker/Udrih/Vaughn
Manu/Finley/Barry
Bowen/Williams/Melzer(?)
Duncan/Bonner/Horry
Elson/Butler/Oberto
Offensively we have:
2 true low post players in Timmy and Butler,
2 bigs who can shoot the 3 in Bonner and Horry,
1 big who can run the floor in Elson,
1 big who is a scrub and gets a chance to prove us all wrong in Oberto.
4 smalls who can shoot the three in Manu, Finley, Barry, Bowen,
2 smalls who can slash in Parker and Manu,
3 pure shooters in Finley, Barry and Udrih,
3 defensive maniacs (one one ball, one lock-up, one gambler) in Vaughn, Bowen, Manu,
1 super hustle guy in Williams.
Defensively we have:
a lot of work to do!
I don't think this team is a massive downgradae from last year, in fact I think it's about on par;
Udrih or Vaughn>NVE
Butler+Elson=Rasho+Nazr
Bonner and Williams will surprise...
but we have to hope at least one of the new bigs (Elson, Butler or Bonner) really takes to our defensive system... that is most likely to be Butler, although fingers crossed that Elson will adjust well to it.
We also managed to dump yet another nasty contract in preparation for more future flexibility.
Overall, I give the FO a B- as we still need our Bowen apprentice.
What do people think?
i'm not to worried about the defensive part, cause it seems it will be outlawed soon
Beno Udrih really needs to define his role on this ball club, and get over that petty confidence bull . This is his third year with the club.
We really lack some youth at the SG/SF....even if one of the guys from Summer League makes the roster....we still lack that youth because none of those guys will really see the floor....Melzer or Smith.
With the exception of Tony and Manu, we have no one who can create their own shot off the drible.
Defensively, Elson or Butler is going to have to come along real quick or else this team won't be seeing a championship. I'm not saying DPOY, but we need them to contest shots and bring down the hammer on players.....both players don't seem to mind throwing around the beef, so thats good.
I really like the addition of Bonner. He can spread the floor for the team, and can cause some serious matchup problems if he finds his stroke here in SA.
We almost have to make a trade before training camp.
Eric Williams will NOT be on the IR.
Melzer wont make the team.
Oberto and whoever else.
Thats it.
Vaughn and Williams will be active.
Maybe it's me, but I still don't like the look of this roster. I cannot see Oberto giving the Spurs "big minutes" at the five spot.
I expect Duncan plays at least 10 minutes at 5 each game with Horry and Bonner holding down the 4, while the other three centers divide the rest of the minutes that Duncan doesn't play depending on who's doing better that game.
Our center situation isn't as bad as it looks.
I don't see how the Spurs can be comfortable with the Vaghn/Udrih combination at back-up PG., neither has shown that they can adaquately fill in for Parker, at least for awhile. Kinda takes Barry out of the trade equation because he can play point. Udrin-Oberto-Horry-(the rights to Scola) are still my top trade possibilities, but Williams may also go.
I have a feeling Williams won't ever even come to San Antonio.
So I'm guessing that Barry/Williams get traded by the end of the summer.
Then the 12 active would be:
Butler
Duncan
Bowen
Manu
Tim
Elson
Horry
Bonner
Oberto
Finley
Beno
Some new guy
2-3 Inactive
Vaughn
Melzer/Sanders/Whoever
Then if they find that Oberto isn't getting any time, they might move him to inactive and activate one of the young guys.
I'd have to agree that Barry being able to play at PG will be important, at least I think. Let Finley/Barry back up the SG spot with Vaghn/Udrih/Barry at PG. It'd be ugly to trade Barry and find out that Vaghn nor Udrih can adequately backup Parker. And we know Parker isn't pulling 40+mpg, plus the fact that he needs help if he's in a slump come playoff time.
Going into the offseason, finding two centers was not what the team needed, those needs were created by the team. The idea that they covered for their mistake by signing two men that have yet to earn a starting spot does not make up for the loss (and wont until one of them proves that they SHOULD be starting in this league)
Replacing two centers with a combined three rings with two without starters experiance in not and "Equal" (=) It is a step back (until one shos that he can play)
Whether you guys think Rasho and Nazr can play or not does not change the fact that both will be starting on teams next year and getting 30 mintutes each. the one thing that those two have (experiance) is the one thing that the two new ones don't.
The long athletic three has not been filled.
The (Long term) back-up PG has not been filled, again either Udrih is the guy or not, if not then he is taking the seat of whoever wants to try for the role and he should be booted, if he is then put is butt on the floor.
The Back-up PF position has been filled (Bonner)
And this is a "B-"?
You fill one need out of three and had to scramble to cover the center situation that collapsed.
I would give them a "B" for covering the center position (The crop was a little thin this FA season).
An "F" on the Athletic SF
A "C-" on th back-up PG (this puts the problem on the back burner till next year, doesn't "solve it")
And a "C-" on the back-up PF. The reason for such a low grade here is because Bonner is not a low-post PF. He will not be getting the rebounds or blocks that you would expect from the PF position, he is an outside player, not an inside player. The team needed improved rebounding, Bonner is not that guy. I know, you'll are going to say "We have centers to rebound", but that is also the job of the PF ... Like it or not.
I agree with this, but he will not be seeing much time playing behind Duncan. He will spread the floor for the second team, not first and only for as long as it takes Timmy to catch his breath.I really like the addition of Bonner. He can spread the floor for the team, and can cause some serious matchup problems if he finds his stroke here in SA.
You re-post the same crap full of mistakes.
Last you have been badly owned with same arguments and you re-post the same thing, either you're really slow to understand or you're a troll.
Experience can be overrated. Look at your precious Mavs -- the response to signing Butler and Elson is about as lukewarm to the response the Mavs got last season for signing Diop. Did Diop have experience in his 5 NBA starts in the 4 seasons preceding his first in Dallas? Were the Mavericks harmed by the fact that Diop had no experience?
Players play, regardless of their experience levels. The success or failure of this team is not built in any meaningful way on the ability of its centers. The Spurs needed a couple of big bodies that are servicebale and who can stay on the floor in a playoff setting against an athletic opponent. Rather than just settle for that -- they've managed an apparent coup in Butler. I'd say that they've done exceedingly well at the center spot by dropping two overpaid and marginally-productive players for 2 guys who will make half as much as Nazr will pull down in Detroit, but will probably offer at least as much production (and maybe even a shred of consistency).
Yet. Little noticed in these moves is the fact that the Spurs now have some ability to make other moves by virtue of finally having a significant expiring contract to package with something of greater value in the hope of filling a need like the long 3 outside of free agency -- where the pickings are likely to be much, much better. The long athletic 3 is an incomplete.
I don't know that there's ever been a need for a long-term back up PG. The point is to have a player in that spot who can produce, whether he's going to be here for 1 year or 10. Very few teams devote long contracts and significant money to locking up backup points, so this strikes me as a contrived "need." If the Spurs can get net positive production from Vaughn or Udrih in a playoff situation (average a bucket a night; don't cause the 2nd unit to lose leads; share the ball to create shots; defend without fouling excessively) they're already better than they were last year at the back-up point spot.
I think you're thought processes here are a bit too linear. Bonner will actually see minutes in stretches alongside Timmy, particularly if he demonstrates that he can shoot the 3 consistently in a Spurs uniform. That's the point -- to have another guy who can spread the floor. I think one thing that Pop took from the Dallas series as a positive for his team was the recollection that if Tim has more room to operate, he's still unstoppable. The Spurs have some guys who can shoot the 3, but other than Horry, they didn't have a player with length who could step outside and do anything. You couldn't lift Rasho or Nazr above the arc and expect their defenders to step out with them. If you play Timmy with Bonner or Horry, though, long defenders who are likely to double have a pretty significant decision to make about whether they double Duncan and leave 3 point shooters alone. That sort of spacing should create more opportunities for Timmy to operate against single coverage, creates great pass-out opportunities when he is doubled, and likely takes a long defender out of the lane to create more space for Parker and Ginobili to operate and get to the rim.
We'll see come November.
GREAT analysis....at least a few people on the forum still pay attention to the actual game of basketball
Since NVE is no longer a Spur, the team has done anything but downgraded.
Also hopefully, Butler and Elson will be able to 1) hit some midrange shots and 2) match up with the Mavs and Suns ever so slightly better. Or is it that the Spurs will use Butler/Elson against most teams and turn to Horry/Bonner to counter small ball?
oops sorry about the last post.
I agree though for this reason. I can't see the spurs being all that happy with someone earning $2,500,000 or more sitting on IR for the season.
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