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He didn't just take that position, it's the one he's had for some time. If some of his supporters haven't realized that then they haven't been paying attention.
Bush Stance on Civil Unions Upsets Groups
October 26, 2004
By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Some conservative groups expressed dismay Tuesday over President Bush's tolerance of state-sanctioned civil unions between gay people — laws that would grant same-sex partners most or all the rights available to married couples.
"I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so," Bush said in an interview aired Tuesday on ABC. Bush acknowledged that his position put him at odds with the Republican platform, which opposes civil unions.
"I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights," said Bush, who has pressed for a cons utional amendment to ban gay marriage. "States ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry backs civil unions for gay couples, too. He opposes gay marriage but also opposes the idea of a cons utional ban.
Some conservative organizations sharply disagreed with Bush and pressed him to seek a cons utional amendment that would ban both gay marriage and civil unions.
"Civil unions are a government endorsement of sexuality," said Robert Knight, director of the Culture and Family Ins ute, an affiliate of Concerned Women For America. "But I don't think President Bush has thought about it in that way. He seems to be striving for neutrality while defending marriage itself."
Knight said "counterfeits" of marriage, such as civil unions, "hurt the real thing."
The head of another group, the Campaign for California Families, said it, too, wants a sweeping cons utional amendment that bars civil unions and same-sex marriage.
"Here's the truth, civil unions are sexual marriage by another name," said Randy Thomasson, the group's executive director. "Civil unions rob marriage of its uniqueness and award sexuals all the rights of marriage available under state law."
"Bush needs to understand what's going on and resist counterfeit marriages with all his might no matter what they're called," Thomasson said.
But Matt Daniel, the leader of a coalition that successfully pressed for legislation that would create the cons utional ban on gay marriage, said Bush had staked out just the right position.
A federal ban on gay marriage, not on civil unions, "is the way for America to resolve this in the fairest way, the best way," said Daniel, president of the Alliance for Marriage. "We do indeed support the president's position."
I'm on the same level as Kerry. I wonder if Dubya even knows that he just took John Kerry's stance on the issue of Civil Unions.... minus the change in the Cons ution that he still wants regarding Marriage that is..
He didn't just take that position, it's the one he's had for some time. If some of his supporters haven't realized that then they haven't been paying attention.
I think Laura set him straight.
Can someone educate me on the legal difference between a Civil Union and a Marriage?
Good question.
It's all in the spelling, Spurm.
So can I ask my girlfriend if she would like to get unioned?
If you're a man and you like in the ass or if you are a woman and you like burying your face in a nice muffpie then you will want a civil union.
If you're a man and you like muffpie or if you are a woman and you like smoking pole then you will want marriage.
If you're a man and you like in ass and muffpie or if you are a woman and you like the taste of muffpie and smoking pole, well, take your pick.
What if you a woman who likes in the ass?
Or what if you are a man who likes to watch a woman burying her face in a nice muffpie?
I know men who like muffpie and women who like smoking pole and they don't want marriage but live like a civil union.
If a woman likes in the ass then she probably likes smoking it too.
If you are a man who likes watching women eating muffpie then you probably like muffpie too.
If a man who likes muffpie or a woman who likes pole don't like marriage then a civil union doesn't exactly offer anything different.
I will try...Can someone educate me on the legal difference between a Civil Union and a Marriage?
A Civil Union recognized at the Federal level would allow certain rights to not be abridged by the States...a partial list might be:
Ability to purchase property jointly as a single transaction instead of having to create a legal "partnership" to purchase property.
Ability to define a person as "family" from the standpoint of hospital policies on visitations rights even over the objection of "blood" family.
Simplify the ability to leave assets in wills to civil union partners limiting the ability of "blood" relatives to contest the wills...
It would not necessarily give "full" rights to same sex couples such as the ability to declare non-working partners as "dependents" for tax purposes or require employers to furnish equal spousal or dependent benefits to partners in "civil unions"...the exact details would obviously depend on the language and scope of the legislations...
I concur.
Damn, ya'll made me spit.
Which isn't something I'd typically do, seeing as I like *smoking pole* and all.
lmao @ this thread.
Marcus Bryant, the poet... LOL!
That was some funny ....
What a coincidence! I like having my "pole" smoked.
If your a man who likes to watch a woman burying her face in a nice muffpie, you are considered normal. For me it's not really the lesbian aspect as it is there will be TWO women involved!
SW
What if you're a chick with a strap on?? You know--chicks with s? Can a transves e marry itself?
This is very confusing, Marcus.
No, must be real pole.
What? That's bad?
Well I guess I have to change the format of my dream from where your running through the field of flowers in the white sun dress to where your running through the field behind the 7-11 hiking up your dress!What? That's bad?
Why? You can't smoke pole in a field of flowers?
You name the field and I'll bring the..........
flowers!
I thought you were going to say you'd bring the Claritin.
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