If the Cons ution doesn't like it, then it can move to France with all of the other liberal commie s.
I may not be a fan of everything the ACLU does, but it does fill a very vital and needed role in protecting civil liberties from potential tyrants.Judge nixes warrantless surveillance
DETROIT (AP) - A federal judge ruled Thursday that the government's warrantless wiretapping program is uncons utional and ordered an immediate halt to it.
U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit became the first judge to strike down the National Security Agency's program, which she says violates the rights to free speech and privacy as well as the separation of powers enshrined in the Cons ution.
"Plaintiffs have prevailed, and the public interest is clear, in this matter. It is the upholding of our Cons ution," Taylor wrote in her 43-page opinion.
The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit on behalf of journalists, scholars and lawyers who say the program has made it difficult for them to do their jobs. They believe many of their overseas contacts are likely targets of the program, which involves secretly listening to conversations between people in the U.S. and people in other countries.
The government argued that the program is well within the president's authority, but said proving that would require revealing state secrets.
The ACLU said the state-secrets argument was irrelevant because the Bush administration had already publicly revealed enough information about the program for Taylor to rule on the case.
"By holding that even the president is not above the law, the court has done its duty," said Ann Beeson, the ACLU's associate legal director and the lead attorney for the plaintiffs.
The NSA had no immediate comment on the ruling.
Taylor dismissed a separate claim by the ACLU over data-mining of phone records by the NSA. She said not enough had been publicly revealed about that program to support the claim and further litigation could jeopardize state secrets.
Beeson predicted the government would appeal the ruling and request that the order to halt the program be postponed while the case makes its way through the system. She said the ACLU had not yet decided whether it would oppose such a postponement.
(puts on his helmet, dives for a trench, and readies for the inevitable anti-ACLU vitriol)
If the Cons ution doesn't like it, then it can move to France with all of the other liberal commie s.
Elpimpo's wit once again finds the mark. (bows)
Federal Judge Orders Halt to NSA Wiretapping
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 17, 2006; 2:42 PM
A federal judge in Detroit ordered a halt to the National Security Agency's warrantless surveillance program, ruling for the first time that the controversial effort ordered by President Bush was uncons utional.
U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor wrote in a strongly-worded 43-page opinion that the NSA wiretapping program violates privacy and free-speech rights and the cons utional separation of powers between the three branches of government. She also found that it violates a 1978 law set up to oversee clandestine surveillance.
The Justice Department said that it was appealing the decision and that the parties to the lawsuit had agreed to delay the judge's order until the appeal could be heard.
Ruling in a case brought by the American Civil Liberties Union and other advocacy groups, Taylor, 73, wrote that "public interest is clear, in this matter. It is the upholding of the Cons ution. . . . "
"It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control, particularly where his actions blatantly disregard the parameters clearly enumerated in the Bill of Rights," she wrote. " . . . There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Cons ution. So all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Cons ution."
The ruling marks a significant setback for the Bush administration, which has aggressively defended the legality of the NSA program since its existence was first revealed in press reports last December. Dubbing it the "terrorist surveillance program," officials have said the effort allows the NSA to monitor telephone calls and e-mails to and from the United States without warrants when one party is suspected of ties to al-Qaeda.
The decision could also have an impact on Congress, which has for months been debating whether to limit or endorse the NSA program through legislation.
The Justice Department argued in court that the program is well within Bush's authority as president, but said proving it would require revealing state secrets. The ACLU argued that many details about the program had already been revealed by Bush and other government officials, and Taylor, who was appointed to the bench by President Jimmy Carter, agreed.
"Today's ruling is a landmark victory against the abuse of power that has become the hallmark of the Bush administration," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. "Government spying on innocent Americans without any kind of warrant and without congressional approval runs counter to the very foundations of our democracy."
He called the ruling "yet another nail in the coffin of the Bush administration's strategy in the war on terror. . . . The judge very clearly points out that this, at its core, is about presidential powers.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
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Not in the US's interest,
was only in the WH interest,
was in the Repug interest,
was in the head-agenda-to-promote-president-to-divine-right-King interest
dubya/ head/puto Gonzalez kicked in the balls again.
Just wait til November when the mother ers are fully castrated.
Last edited by boutons_; 08-17-2006 at 02:11 PM.
It's certainly an issue to be cavalier about, because it's all about discrediting the president.
"discrediting the president."
dubya is just an ignorant, but not innocent, puppet of head, who is the real target because he has discredited the paranoid checks and balances of the Cons ution.
The WH Repugs are the LAST bunch of assholes the US should trust with unchecked power.
Hmmm.
And Yonivore has been telling me that there's no way that anyone could find that the NSA program is uncons utional.![]()
It is now time to attack the judge.
Yeah, because the last time that happened all the blacks were set free.
Good ol' Yoni. What blog did Yoni copy from to try and convince you of this?
That is, of course, the answer to my post. The decision is incorrect because the judge simply does not understand cons utional law. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before Yoni cites us to some cleverly-named blog to tell us all that this judge is just a left-wing partisan who epitomizes the foolishness of those who oppose this President and the inherent propriety of any action he takes in the name of defeating terrorists.
"all the blacks were set free."
which article or amendment established/protected slavery and was discredited by emancipation?
Not to worry the world is safe for now..........
all things considered , August 17, 2006 · A federal judge in Detroit says the Bush administration's domestic wiretap program violates both federal law and the Cons ution and orders the warrantless suveillance program shut down. The ruling is the first definitive response to a barrage of legal suits. The Justice Department will appeal. In the meantime, both sides in the suit agree to a hold on the order to shut down the program.
Let's play "count the Supreme Court justices..."
Scalia
Alito
Roberts
Thomas
...vote to overturn.
Ginsburg
Breyer
Stevens
Souter
...vote to uphold.
Kennedy?
As ever . . . .
Depriving citizens of property without due process of law.
I'm no Bush supporter but I side with him on this one.
Being able to swiftly tapp suspected terrorists' telephones appears to be a reasonable weapon in the war on terror.
I do agree this can get out of control with an Administration such as this one, but hey, he was electedan relected.
Tapping phones probably played a mayor role in stopping last weeks failed plane-bombing plot.
There is a legal, cons utional way to tap phones of suspects whether they are in or out of the country. Slap the wiretap on, go to the FISA court up to 72 hours later and get the warrant. This does not hurt the war on terror.
This is what we are fighting to protect are our freedoms and a key part of the foundation of those freedoms is the cons ution and the checks and balance that were put in place in it.
A unitary executive that spies on people without the consent or consultation of the legislative or judicial branch is ripe for abuse. As you say in your post this administration is particularly suspect.
But let's take the Bush administration out of it. Say Hillary Clinton wins in '08, do the conservatives that support the NSA wiretaps w/o warrants want her and her administration having the ability to wiretap whoever they want w/o consulting a judge?
My whole point is, without the court issuing a warrant, the executive can wiretap anyone they want for any reason they want and they have to answer to no one because who know they are even doing it?
The District judge is right in this case and the far right is already smearing her on the internet and on the right wing noise machine.
The NSA program had nothing to do with the airline plot that was disrupted this past week either.
Octillo is right.
The secret court that the administration bypassed has only turned down 7 out of tens of thousands of requests, yet the administration finds that court too binding?
I don't buy it.
She's a Carter appointee with apparent disdain -- evident in the ruling itself -- for the president.
Legal scholars are already ripping her ruling to shreds as being unworthy of even a first year law student. The appellate court immediately issued a stay of her ruling and she's being mocked in court circles.
So, maybe I should have said no competent jurist could find the NSA program uncons utional.
Here's some professional analysis on the ruling. If you can find legal scholars, on the left, that are willing to trash their own reputations in defense of this whack-a-do judge I'd like to see their response.
Eugene Volokh:
Dale Carpenter:
Orin Kerr:
Mark Levin and Paul Mirengoff hit many of the same points. The consensus among these legal scholars -- and yes, unlike the pretenders in this forum, these are real lawyers -- is that the judge made a very weak ruling, and seem to indicate that it will probably get tossed at a September 7 appellate court hearing.
I think it's a case of the ACLU venue-shopped to get a judge that fit their needs, and won a short-term political victory. In the long run, it won't affect the operations of the NSA program all that much, if at all.
I just can't get too excited or irate over a case that seems assured to die a quick death. Let me know when Lawrence Tribe comes out in defense of this Carter moonbat.
Mocked in court circles? How on Earth are you privy to what goes on in "court circles" unless you're a member of the judiciary, which past discussions strong suggest is untrue.
The stay in this case wasn't apparently issued by the 6th Circuit. It was one agreed to by the parties. Not terribly significant, I'll admit, but your post would appear to be incorrect on that point.
Nevertheless, this is still another example of just how non-sensical and utterly devoid of objective truth the old "judicial activism" cannard is. A judge rules against the President and she's immediately noted to be a Carter appointee, labeled "activist," wand castigated as utterly unqualified and completely incompetent. I'm not here to defend this judge; but it's evident to me that this issue will signal a crescendo in the "judicial activism" nattering. If a judge rules with the President, notwithstanding well-established Fourth Amendment law that suggests that this program is uncons utional, that judge will be held out as a paragon of judicial virtue and a person of unassailable integrity and intelligence. As this ruling demonstrates, any judge who reaches a conclusion adverse to the President's position is doomed to incessant labelling and attack.
The judge may have reached the right conclusions, but for the wrong reasons. She may not have explained herself terribly well. She might not have employed convincing rhetoric to justify her conclusion. I'll admit that I find her rationale somewhat shaky. But judges (particularly lower court judges) struggle with all of those issues every day -- whether appointed by President Carter or President Reagan; President Bush or President Clinton. Her decision will be reviewed. It might be upheld; it might not be. But the attack on her integrity and intelligence based solely upon the result of her decision strikes me as cowardly.
Whatever happened to that Republican credo that nothing should ever subvert the rule of law? Such a quaint (c. 1999-2000) idea, really.
Last edited by FromWayDowntown; 08-18-2006 at 10:18 AM.
Hey Mr. Bloviator, I listed some commentary. So, show me some from the left that are defending the crazy judge.
And maybe the most qualified of any of the opininons I've posted comes from Bryan Cunningham.
Mr. Cunningham served in senior positions in the CIA and as a federal prosecutor under President Clinton, and as deputy legal adviser to the National Security Council under President George W. Bush. He is a private information security and privacy lawyer at Morgan & Cunningham LLC in Denver, Colorado, and a member of the Markle Foundation Task Force on National Security in the Information Age. Along with the Washington Legal Foundation, he filed an amicus brief in this case, and has testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Terrorist Surveillance Program.
Score! Three pointer!
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