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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/

    I was planning to build an FX-62 based system in two weeks or so until I started studying up on Conroe. The 6800 looks freaking ridiculous. Even the $340 6600 kills the $820 FX-62. It rapes the FX-62 on integer operations and merely bends it over and DPs it in floating point. This is ridiculous how much faster it is even at stock speed in Ogg-Vorbis encoding and H.264, and it looks to be worth the extra $180 or so over the FX-62. This will be the first time I've ever built an Intel-based system. I gotta study up and see if there's any good SLI boards (I'm going for two 7950x2 graphics boards and nothing less).

    The $350 6600 @ stock speed kills an $820 FX-62 in COD 2, and is (very) compe ive in Unreal Tournament 2004. For the $1000 6800, it's not even a comparison when you consider it versus the FX-62 in anything.

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    I cannot grok its fullnes leemajors's Avatar
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    voodoo 2 sli ruled! i need to build a new system around christmas, and i haven't looked at toms hardware in forever. thanks for the link.

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    I have found 5 PC's in the Dumpter this year and all the CPU's where AMD.

    They have some sort of over heating issues, When I bring them home I put my finger on the chip to see if it's getting warm and last time I could not remove my skin from the chip. Next gtg I will show you my finger.

    I hate all the PC war Bull . I wish AMD Intel Mac and Windows could just come together and make a virus/error free PC that does not over heat. I guess I would would have a better chance getting Slomo to take BuddyHolly to dinner

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    http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/

    I was planning to build an FX-62 based system in two weeks or so until I started studying up on Conroe. The 6800 looks freaking ridiculous. Even the $340 6600 kills the $820 FX-62. It rapes the FX-62 on integer operations and merely bends it over and DPs it in floating point. This is ridiculous how much faster it is even at stock speed in Ogg-Vorbis encoding and H.264, and it looks to be worth the extra $180 or so over the FX-62. This will be the first time I've ever built an Intel-based system. I gotta study up and see if there's any good SLI boards (I'm going for two 7950x2 graphics boards and nothing less).

    The $350 6600 @ stock speed kills an $820 FX-62 in COD 2, and is (very) compe ive in Unreal Tournament 2004. For the $1000 6800, it's not even a comparison when you consider it versus the FX-62 in anything.
    The 6300 that's priced at $180ish is getting insane STOCK COOLER/OPEN AIR overclocking ... http://consumer.hardocp.com/article....CxoY29uc3VtZXI

    A freakin 1GHZ OC is rather nuts, and for the low price, would be well worth it if you end up burning it up in a year or so.

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    Enigma is right even though I stop listening to his music in 1998. The over clocking is getting out of control. It's like these kids who put Nitrous Oxide in a VW bug it just s things up.

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    Enigma is right even though I stop listening to his music in 1998. The over clocking is getting out of control. It's like these kids who put Nitrous Oxide in a VW bug it just s things up.
    Last thing I OCed was a P4 1.6a ... that er got 800mhz pretty easy on stock cooling, my friend got 1.2GHZ out of it.

    On a laptop now, so OCing isn't much of an option because I don't really feel like pin modding one of the 400fsb dothans.

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    im rockin a a64....... never owned an intel chip in my life.....

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    . I guess I would would have a better chance getting Slomo to take BuddyHolly to dinner
    Yeah, but just barely.

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    http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/02/thg_tuning_test/

    I was planning to build an FX-62 based system in two weeks or so until I started studying up on Conroe. The 6800 looks freaking ridiculous. Even the $340 6600 kills the $820 FX-62. It rapes the FX-62 on integer operations and merely bends it over and DPs it in floating point. This is ridiculous how much faster it is even at stock speed in Ogg-Vorbis encoding and H.264, and it looks to be worth the extra $180 or so over the FX-62. This will be the first time I've ever built an Intel-based system. I gotta study up and see if there's any good SLI boards (I'm going for two 7950x2 graphics boards and nothing less).

    The $350 6600 @ stock speed kills an $820 FX-62 in COD 2, and is (very) compe ive in Unreal Tournament 2004. For the $1000 6800, it's not even a comparison when you consider it versus the FX-62 in anything.

    Some people manage their computer, some people get managed by their computer.

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Sorry man, I want a system I can play every game made (except freaking Oblivion) at maxed out everything with maxed out antialiasing.

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    Sorry man, I want a system I can play every game made (except freaking Oblivion) at maxed out everything with maxed out antialiasing.
    You should be more worried about getting a video card then.

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    This will be the first time I've ever built an Intel-based system
    I think their easier to build than AMDs cause there is less chance of frying the core installing the damn heatsink. What kind of video cards you looking at BB?

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    You should be more worried about getting a video card then.
    No.. video cards. I'm putting two 7950x2s in my new rig.

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    No.. video cards. I'm putting two 7950x2s in my new rig.
    Your computer is giving me a geeky wet dream ... 6800 and two 7950s? Please dear god, tell me you're gonna put 4gigs of DDR2 in that ...

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    No.. video cards. I'm putting two 7950x2s in my new rig.
    Youre probably rich because any PC guy who isnt knows to wait until February to upgrade/build anything.

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    What's up with February? I heard DirectX10 hardware is still a long way off.

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    What's up with February? I heard DirectX10 hardware is still a long way off.
    I say February only because thats when Vista is supposed to come out. With that DX10 comes out.

    The hardware is already in the works. nVidia and ATI have known all they ever needed to know for some time.

    My point is, youre right. It will take a couple months for the first reliable DX10 enabled cards to hit market. But until then, to me, there is absolutely no point to buy a vga until they come out. I use a 6800 right now, and it smokes. Why would I pay $600 for a dual vga that wont be able take full advantage of dx10 in less than year?

    So, we come back to, youre either rich or very impatient to waste money. Upgrading a PC is fine now, but I still wouldnt until Vista. Mark my words, Vista will come out, AMD and Intel will roll out there new processors that make the new Core2 look like a P4. nvidia and ATI will hit the market hard with their first generation vga's that will make the SLi / crossfire cards look like Ti4600s. It may not be immediately, but at least by June your new, killer PC that you spent top dollar on now will be dinosaur by then. If you just saved your money, youd be riding much higher for alot longer for the same price youre going to spend now.

    Of course, unless youre building a rig without concern for being top-end. If thats the case, then this whole post is bull .

    Side note: Vista is going to be around a very very long time. This isnt MS's new XP that will be dated in 6 years. They rewrote every piece from the ground up. No more FAT32 (it can read it, but doesnt use it by default), no more dated Windows 3.1 kernels, directx thats been added onto for a decade, networking, the whole shi-bang.

    It will look and feel similar, but the engine is completely different and (supposedly) much more efficent. PhysX cards are going to be the norm allowing your vga and processor to behave and coordinate in ways never seen.

    This is all future-world until I see it with my own eyes, but reading what peeps who have beta-Vista, they are all really geeked (minus the driver problems, but that is NOT MS's fault).

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    I say February only because thats when Vista is supposed to come out. With that DX10 comes out.

    The hardware is already in the works. nVidia and ATI have known all they ever needed to know for some time.

    My point is, youre right. It will take a couple months for the first reliable DX10 enabled cards to hit market. But until then, to me, there is absolutely no point to buy a vga until they come out. I use a 6800 right now, and it smokes. Why would I pay $600 for a dual vga that wont be able take full advantage of dx10 in less than year?

    So, we come back to, youre either rich or very impatient to waste money. Upgrading a PC is fine now, but I still wouldnt until Vista. Mark my words, Vista will come out, AMD and Intel will roll out there new processors that make the new Core2 look like a P4. nvidia and ATI will hit the market hard with their first generation vga's that will make the SLi / crossfire cards look like Ti4600s. It may not be immediately, but at least by June your new, killer PC that you spent top dollar on now will be dinosaur by then. If you just saved your money, youd be riding much higher for alot longer for the same price youre going to spend now.

    Of course, unless youre building a rig without concern for being top-end. If thats the case, then this whole post is bull .

    Side note: Vista is going to be around a very very long time. This isnt MS's new XP that will be dated in 6 years. They rewrote every piece from the ground up. No more FAT32 (it can read it, but doesnt use it by default), no more dated Windows 3.1 kernels, directx thats been added onto for a decade, networking, the whole shi-bang.

    It will look and feel similar, but the engine is completely different and (supposedly) much more efficent. PhysX cards are going to be the norm allowing your vga and processor to behave and coordinate in ways never seen.

    This is all future-world until I see it with my own eyes, but reading what peeps who have beta-Vista, they are all really geeked (minus the driver problems, but that is NOT MS's fault).
    RC1 is very, very smooth. I installed it a few days ago, after a short stint with Beta 2 a few months ago, which sucked horribly.

    I'll be playing with RC1 some more, but I gotta disable the Aero crap, seems to be causing some issues with D3D games like WoW, though I'm gonna test a few more things.

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    you say it best wwhen you say nothin all.......

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    I say February only because thats when Vista is supposed to come out. With that DX10 comes out.

    The hardware is already in the works. nVidia and ATI have known all they ever needed to know for some time.

    My point is, youre right. It will take a couple months for the first reliable DX10 enabled cards to hit market. But until then, to me, there is absolutely no point to buy a vga until they come out. I use a 6800 right now, and it smokes. Why would I pay $600 for a dual vga that wont be able take full advantage of dx10 in less than year?

    So, we come back to, youre either rich or very impatient to waste money. Upgrading a PC is fine now, but I still wouldnt until Vista. Mark my words, Vista will come out, AMD and Intel will roll out there new processors that make the new Core2 look like a P4. nvidia and ATI will hit the market hard with their first generation vga's that will make the SLi / crossfire cards look like Ti4600s. It may not be immediately, but at least by June your new, killer PC that you spent top dollar on now will be dinosaur by then. If you just saved your money, youd be riding much higher for alot longer for the same price youre going to spend now.

    Of course, unless youre building a rig without concern for being top-end. If thats the case, then this whole post is bull .

    Side note: Vista is going to be around a very very long time. This isnt MS's new XP that will be dated in 6 years. They rewrote every piece from the ground up. No more FAT32 (it can read it, but doesnt use it by default), no more dated Windows 3.1 kernels, directx thats been added onto for a decade, networking, the whole shi-bang.

    It will look and feel similar, but the engine is completely different and (supposedly) much more efficent. PhysX cards are going to be the norm allowing your vga and processor to behave and coordinate in ways never seen.

    This is all future-world until I see it with my own eyes, but reading what peeps who have beta-Vista, they are all really geeked (minus the driver problems, but that is NOT MS's fault).

    Intel's only plan for Vista's release is the Kentsfield, which is 2 core2 duos on one chip. That's not something I'm going to pay for, because no game is currently being written or planned for a 4 cpu system. That processor is going to be insanely expensive. AMD plans to go to a 65 nm process in December or January, but that's not going to make up the huge chasm in performance between the top of the line FX series and the far cheaper Core2 series. I've heard their new core won't come out until mid to late 2007.

    Of course any system I build now will be smoked by a top of the line system in 9 months. You have to realize that any time you build a system.

    It's because of DirectX10 that I'm considering only buying a single GeForce 7950x2, but I still want the board for qaud SLI so I can can easily upgrade it later. I don't want to wait 7-8 months minimum to have outstanding graphics performance.

    Vista will absolutely not be around a long time. Their most ambitious plan for it, WinFS, was put on hold 2 more years for their next OS.

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    with the money u gonna spend, and if u just want it for games. Why don't u just buy a PS3 and a 50 inch HDTV?

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    with the money u gonna spend, and if u just want it for games. Why don't u just buy a PS3 and a 50 inch HDTV?
    PC games > PS3 games ...

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    with the money u gonna spend, and if u just want it for games. Why don't u just buy a PS3 and a 50 inch HDTV?
    It's tempting. I've seen a PS3 in action recently, and it's worth every cent. I definitely don't want it just for games though. I want it also for 3dsmax, development, video editing, audio editing, and of course piracy.

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    PC games > PS3 games ...
    agreed, not even a contest.

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