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Yeah the Pope is such a bad person. He called a religion who has been at war with itself and the rest of the world for 1500 years (the entirety of its existence) violent.
The horror
September 14, 2006
Muslim Leaders Assail Pope’s Speech on Islam
By IAN FISHER
ROME, Sept. 14 — As Pope Benedict XVI arrived back home from Germany, Muslim leaders strongly criticized a speech he gave on his trip that used unflattering language about Islam.
Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in jeopardy Benedict’s scheduled visit there in November.
“I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam’s prophet,” Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish government’s directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there. “He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”
Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to some in Germany and France, also criticized the pope’s remarks, with many demanding an apology or clarification. The extent of any anger about the speech may become clearer on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which grievances are often vented publicly.
As the criticisms gathered force, the Vatican worked quickly to quell a potentially damaging confrontation with Muslims. It issued a statement saying that the church seeks to “cultivate an at ude of respect and dialogue toward other religions and cultures and obviously also toward Islam.”
The statement, from the pope’s chief spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said: “It should be said that what is important to the pope is a clear and radical rejection of the religious motivation of violence.”
“It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to do an in-depth study of jihad and Muslim thinking in this field and still less so to hurt the feelings of Muslim believers,” he added.
Benedict’s remarks came on Tuesday, when he delivered a major address — which some church experts say was a defining speech of his pontificate — saying that the West, and specifically Europe, had become so beholden to reason that it had closed God out of public life, science and academia.
But the pope began this speech at Regensburg University with what he conceded were “brusque” words about Islam: He quoted a 14th Century Byzantine emperor as saying, “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
Benedict also used the word “jihad,” or holy war, saying that violence was contrary to God’s nature and to reason. But, at the end of a speech that did not otherwise mention Islam, he also said that reason could be the basis for “that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today.”
After his address on Tuesday, his spokesman said the pope did not intend to insult Islam.But many experts on Islam warned that Benedict ran the risk of offense in using such strong language, with tensions between religions so high.
And today, criticism began pouring the pope’s way. The 79-year-old Benedict has taken a more skeptical, hard-nosed approach to Islam than did his predecessor, John Paul II, who died in April 2005.
“I don’t think the church should point a finger at extremist activities in other religions, Aiman Mazyek, president of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany, told the newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, recalling the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Vatican’s relations with Nazi Germany.
The French Council for the Muslim Religion demanded that Benedict “clarify” his remarks. “We hope that the Church will very quickly give us its opinion and clarify its position so that it does not confuse Islam, which is a revealed religion, with Islamism, which is not a religion but a political ideology,” Dalil Boubakeur, the council’s president, told Agence France-Presse.
In Kuwait, the leader of the Islamic Nation Party, Haken al-Mutairi, demanded an apology for what he called “unaccustomed and unprecedented” remarks.
“I call on all Arab and Islamic states to recall their ambassadors from the Vatican and expel those from the Vatican until the pope says he is sorry for the wrong done to the prophet and to Islam, which preaches peace, tolerance, justice and equality,” Mr. Mutairi told Agence France-Presse.
In Pakistan, Muslim leaders and scholars said that Benedict’s words widened the gap between Islam and Christianity, and risked what one official called greater “disharmony.”
“The pope’s statement is highly irresponsible,” said another ranking Muslim, Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, an Islamic scholar. “The concept of jihad is not to spread Islam with the sword.”
The criticism from Mr. Bardakoglu, the Islamic leader in Turkey, was especially strong, and carries with it particular embarrassment if Benedict is forced to cancel or delay his visit to Turkey. Many Turks are already critical of Benedict, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger had in 2004 opposed Turkey’s entry into the European Union.
The official, Mr. Bardakoglu, demanded an apology, saying that the remarks “reflect the hatred in his heart — it is a statement full of enmity and grudge.”
In Morocco, the newspaper Aujourd’hui questioned whether Benedict’s call for a real dialogue between religions was made in good faith.
“Pope Benedict XVI has a strange approach to the dialogue between religions,” the paper wrote in an editorial. “He is being provocative.”
The paper also drew a comparison between the pope’s remarks and the outcry in the Muslim world over unflattering cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad published around Europe beginning last year.
“The global outcry over the calamitous cartoons have only just died down and now the pontiff, in all his holiness, is launching an attack against Islam,” the newspaper wrote.
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OK, you "Muslim voices", where the where you and your defense of Muslims:
* about the fatwa on Rushdie?
* when Hamas send chilldren as sucide bombers into crowds of Israeli?
* when that Iran President calls for pushing the Jew-dogs into the sea?
* when Hezbollah was sending rockets into civilian populations?
* etc, etc, etc.
Total, deafening silence from all you mother ers.
Had you stood up repeatedly for Islam as a religion of peace and moderation, loudly condemned unending violence and terrroism against civilians then the Pope wouldn't have any grounds for his positions, and the world wouldn't think both Muslims and all their countries were losers, corrupt, and murderers.
Yeah the Pope is such a bad person. He called a religion who has been at war with itself and the rest of the world for 1500 years (the entirety of its existence) violent.
The horror
Those are called Radical Extermists/Terrorists. There is probably 10% of them in the 2 Billion population of Muslims. 10% of 2 Billion is a lot.OK, you "Muslim voices", where the where you and your defense of Muslims:
* about the fatwa on Rushdie?
* when Hamas send chilldren as sucide bombers into crowds of Israeli?
* when that Iran President calls for pushing the Jew-dogs into the sea?
* when Hezbollah was sending rockets into civilian populations?
* etc, etc, etc.
Total, deafening silence from all you mother ers.
Had you stood up repeatedly for Islam as a religion of peace and moderation, loudly condemned unending violence and terrroism against civilians then the Pope wouldn't have any grounds for his positions, and the world wouldn't think both Muslims and all their countries were losers, corrupt, and murderers.
Last edited by E20; 09-14-2006 at 11:06 PM.
boutons and Aggie agreed!
yes and the other 90% vehemently disagree with those 10 percent.
I wonder how Hamas got elected.
Because the other 90% don't have the balls to stand up for their religion.yes and the other 90% vehemently disagree with those 10 percent.
I wonder how Hamas got elected.
As with the Islam cartoons, the muslim world is going nuts over the Pope's statement. They have little to say about terrorists using their religion to kill but God forbid someone says something about Islam! They get worked up into a frenzy and start buring flags and pics of the Pope. Give it a few more days and I'm sure we will see some more large protest and deaths due to this.
IDIOTS!
EDIT: Now the Pope is being compared to Hitler. haha
how can you take seriously a guy you call Potato
I wasn't even being mildly sarcastic on that one. I was more on the range of y Hot Habanero sarcastic.
Muslims are not very tolerant (it seems).
I'm sure there's an audio tape forthcoming from Osama, saying it's more proof the Zionist west is waging a Crusade against the Muslims of the world
Y'think?
ASK THE ISRAELIS.
[QUOTE=boutons_]September 14, 2006
Muslim Leaders Assail Pope’s Speech on Islam
By IAN FISHER
ROME, Sept. 14 — As Pope Benedict XVI arrived back home from Germany, Muslim leaders strongly criticized a speech he gave on his trip that used unflattering language about Islam.
Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in jeopardy Benedict’s scheduled visit there in November.
“I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam’s prophet,” Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish government’s directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there. “He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”
QUOTE]
Excellent.
Another nail to the coffin of Turkey joining the EU any time soon.
So much for erdogan and his masters.
This pope is performing precisely as expected.
Teutonic precision.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/16/D8K652801.html
Yeah, burning churches is the best way to prove how wrong the Pope's words were.Bertone said the pontiff sought in his university speech to condemn all religious motivation for violence, "from whatever side it may come." But the pope's words only seemed to fan rage.
In West Bank attacks on four churches, Palestinians used guns, firebombs and lighter fluid, leaving church doors charred and walls scorched by flames and pocked with bullet holes. Nobody was reported injured. Two Catholic churches, an Anglican one and a Greek Orthodox one were hit. A Greek Orthodox church was also attacked in Gaza City.
A group calling itself "Lions of Monotheism" told The Associated Press by phone that the attacks were a protest of the pope's remarks on Islam.
During his speech, Benedict stressed that he was quoting words of a Byzantine emperor and did not comment directly on the "evil and inhuman" assessment. On Saturday, Bertone said that "the Holy Father did not mean, nor does he mean, to make that opinion his own in any way."
Benedict quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam.
"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'"
The grand sheik of Cairo's Al-Azhar Mosque, the Sunni Arab world's most powerful ins ution, condemned the pope's remarks as "reflecting ignorance."
Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, whose Southeast Asian nation has a large Muslim population, demanded that Benedict retract his remarks and not "take lightly the spread of outrage that has been created."
Cause, you know, the 2 acts are comparable.
Kind of like if you call me a thief I should break into your house and steal everything to prove you wrong. Cause that makes sense. Right?
Because they provided food and other basic services to the people that the Fatah could or would not. It's not rocket science.
Well, you're half right. Islam and Christianity have been going at it for most of that period.Yeah the Pope is such a bad person. He called a religion who has been at war with itself and the rest of the world for 1500 years (the entirety of its existence) violent.
The horror
The Pope may want to choose his words more carefully lest the histrionics of peaceful Islam incite the fury of Radical Islamism. Extremists intentionally fed by those that claim they are adherents to a "peaceful" religion?“We hope that the Church will very quickly give us its opinion and clarify its position so that it does not confuse Islam, which is a revealed religion, with Islamism, which is not a religion but a political ideology,”
They are working in conjuction with each other now, aren't they...yet they claim that they are sooooooo far apart in philosophy that we must differentiate...
I don't believe them.
Obviously, you have never presented a Muslim a bottle of Crown Royal! They are VERY tolerant under the right cir stances.
or the fact that Hamas is better funded and is in better position to do so.
Fatah was receiving WAY more money than Hamas. The Israelis passed along the customs revenues (which they are now denying to Hamas), and the US even funded them. That money, however, mostly found it's way into the pockets of Arafat and his cronies. Fatah collapsed because of internal rot.
Nun + bodyguard murdered in Somalia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5353850.stm
Looks like the Muslims won't kill as many of each other over the Pope's words as they did over the Danish newspaper Allah cartoons, but there's still time!
How succinct.
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