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This story isn't going away because the GOP has been pounding on the Democrats for being soft on terror, but now we find out the GOP has been protecting child predators.
I doubt anyone here is in question of my political leanings, but I have to admit, I really wish this Foley story would go away.
I think the policies in Washington for the last 6 years ought to motivate the public far more than this singular act of misconduct, and to me this seems more like Monica Lewinsky mudslinging than real political debate...which I loathe, because it allows the now ignorant American public to focus in on the Stupidity on talk radio instead of the important issues.
Politicans are corrupt, and once in power care only about power...no ing , are you serious?
But far more desturbing to me is the phobic rhetoric being thrown around here and at daily kos with regard to this issue.... something that really disturbs me. The implications being (because it is mainly comming from the Liberals) that both sides with go to -bashing the second it is politically valuable...what bull .
even Boutons is getting in on the fun
Im sure you could have stopped at pedophilia to make your case.no ing ! How about having gone after sexual predator pedofile Foley with the same energy and venom that you went after Clinton for legal, heterosexual sex?
This story isn't going away because the GOP has been pounding on the Democrats for being soft on terror, but now we find out the GOP has been protecting child predators.
I know...It's like.....He resigned, he's gone, it's over.
Hmmm... but you see, I think that the war on terror debate was won because the country does what it always does in times of crisis...it shifts to the right, every time we seem to pay the price for it, be it with regard to civil rights or debt incurred from military build up (or the rare combination of a massive amount of both since 2001-present), and in any case this is a far more legitimate thing to focus on...i.e. which side can provide fpr security, than something like this foley matter.
It's Monica all over again, seriously I don't understand why the voting public eats this up... oh well.
"he's gone, it's over."
No, it's not over.
The "family values/evangelical-pandering" Repugs hypoctrically hid this sexual predatory pedophile in their ranks for 5 years. The FBI is on the case of the coverup, and that will go on for months.
The Repugs have been instigating this viciously polarized, vindictive, smash-mouth, bed of no-compromise politics for 15+ years, and now they can lie in that bed.
Amen to that.
I could swear I posted a witty reply to this thread.
Sucks for you.
It SHOULD be over.
Why the can't they drop the public's eye to more important matters? Why the couldn't they have just kinda...not sat there and had every second of the media and people's eye on that stuff rather than, say, North Korea's nutzy koo-koo dictator testing a Nuke? with Clinton? Why is this such a huge scandal? I men, Clinton had his, which was un-necessary as well. The media is flawed in their idea that What-the- s-his-name Foley sending suggestive e-mails is more important than North Korea or Iran, which it is NOT.
What I am saying is that there are much more important issues at hand than government officials having sex.
Yes, what he did was wrong. people get caught with this all the time! Do I really care that Bill Clinton had sex or that this foley did some really perverted ? NO, I DON'T! I'm saying, MOVE the on!! HE's a pedophile pervert, And I don't care about hearing about it. I don't really give a damn what Clinton did either. I care about getting rid of N.Korea's and Iran's eventually-to-be nukes.
You tell me which is more important for the world. Foleys pervertedness or N. Korea's Nuclear program?
and the pobia continues, in a thread i made just to point it out...i suppose it just goes to show you that no one really reads posts anymore
I'm betting R2D has a point, here. Are there femail pages (yes). 'Think they've ever been hit on by congressmen? Bet they have, and more. Anybody writing about THAT?
Has phobia ALL over it - in fact, as far as I can tell (although honestly I'm not following this closely), all substantiated emails and contacts have been with guys over 18; which, I thought, was NO BIG DEAL.
Kudos to you R2D for not blindly playing along with the partisan game. That some on the Left are hoping to capitalize politically on the perceived phobia of the Right is almost as unfortunate as the phobia itself.
It's Monica, Swift Boat, National Guard all over again.
sure it's phobia and gay bashing, hypocritcally pandering to the evangelicals and religious extremists.
Some famous religious nutcase said the other day that ALL gays are predatory pedophiles.
When are we going to fight?
Well that part of it is over.
Now we just have to figure out if there was a "coverup" and if politics really did play a part in that coverup, as increasingly seems to be the case.
Honestly, I hate to give in to cynicism, but given the general GOP behaviour pattern of "winning at any price", I honestly wonder if this wan't covered up for political reasons, as it fits that pattern.
I wouldn't let it get to either of you that much. It isn't healthy for your heart in the long term to let this kind of stuff rile you up to that level.
Well-meant and freely given.
RG,
Have you noted how Foley has pushed the much more serious and dangerous Woodward book and NIE out of the headlines ?
Foley is Rove's "october surprise"?
And now the Repugs are being seen to be outraged and so vociferously, onstentatiously, bombastically, self-rightesouly rooting out the Repug bad apples(s).
Iraq anyone?
Jan - Sep 2001 Repug NatSec inaction anyone?
And you don't have a problem with that?
I don't remember any conservatives screaming "let's move on" during the Clinton scandal. No, a special prosecutor was assigned and millions of tax dollars were spent on a bull case about adultery. But now that the shoe is on the other foot>
How quickly some forget.
Reason why I think this won't go away so quickly is because the republican party preaches so much about "moral values" and how they are more Christian than democrats or liberals and now they are stuck with this scandal that for me, is a plain old political cover up. Simple as that. Now they just want us to forget and move on?
IMO, they brought it upon themselves and now must ride out the storm.
And as far as our national security I have NO doubts that a democrat, liberal is you want to call them that, would do just as good if not better job. I have not fallen for the republican rhetoric that they can secure America better.
Nope, ain't buying it.
Anyone besides me think that the fact that a debate is raging over which is worse, Clinton cheating on his wife in the oval office or a dude that loves young boys is a problem? , the people we have running this country are the biggest jackasses in the world. Dem or Rep.
^I concur.
But for me, a imoral liberal, soliciting sex with a minor is worse than sex with another consenting adult even though it was adultery.
But that is just me and since I'm a liberal I have no morals anyways.
uh, no.RG,
Have you noted how Foley has pushed the much more serious and dangerous Woodward book and NIE out of the headlines ?
Foley is Rove's "october surprise"?
And now the Repugs are being seen to be outraged and so vociferously, onstentatiously, bombastically, self-rightesouly rooting out the Repug bad apples(s).
Iraq anyone?
Jan - Sep 2001 Repug NatSec inaction anyone?
Your logic here is a bit flawed.
The GOP would much rather have an easily dismissed book to deal with than something like this that outrages their base.
The GOP's strength is the strength of its single minded "moral majority" base. Erode support from that base and you REALLY hurt the GOP more than a book that most of the base won't read.
As s my as I think Rove is, I think if you were to ask him which he would rather have in the news, his answer would be the woodward book.
I think the Bush presidency will finally put to rest the MYTH that somehow the GOP is better at national security.
The GOP just simply sucks at running governments.
I think the Bush presidency and the subsequent whoever's presidency all after the Clinton presidency which followed Bush the elders presidency will finally put to rest any notion that the US government doesn't suck, and it doesn't matter much who is "running" it.
And as a liberal that has had to deal with the fall out of that idiocy for the last 10 years, I'm sorry but I wish our side of the aisle would leave these types of politics alone. Ultimately I dont think it is really democrats in DC that are going haywire with this , it's more the media (which I never really believed was liberal, and I still don't, i think sex sells, and the media is eating up this because it's a product they can move.)
I'm sure they do want you to forgive and forget, and I don't have any problem pointing out that there was a political cover up, I just wish that 1st Americans would take a look around, check out the state of the world, and vote the republican party out of power because it has been doing a bad job, not because it has suddenly come to light that one of their own is a sexual. As a liberal I hate the fact that Republicans use fear of sexuals to win elections, and now...democrats are using fear of sexuals to win elections? WTF?Reason why I think this won't go away so quickly is because the republican party preaches so much about "moral values" and how they are more Christian than democrats or liberals and now they are stuck with this scandal that for me, is a plain old political cover up. Simple as that. Now they just want us to forget and move on?
Well that makes two of usAnd as far as our national security I have NO doubts that a democrat, liberal is you want to call them that, would do just as good if not better job. I have not fallen for the republican rhetoric that they can secure America better.
Nope, ain't buying it.
^Well said.
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