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So cooking another human being is a direct result of serving time in the military in Iraq huh? God, you just continue to get dumber.
Man dismembers girlfriend in Quarter; cooks body parts
NOLAA suicide note in the pocket of a man who jumped off the Omni Royal Orleans Hotel late Tuesday led police to the grisly scene of his girlfriend’s murder, where they found her charred head in a pot on the stove, her legs and feet baked in the oven and the rest of her dismembered body in trash bag in the refrigerator, according to police and the couple’s landlord.
The man, Zackery Bowen, a tall man in his mid 20s with long blond hair, claimed in the note to have killed his girlfriend, Adrian “Addie” Hall, on Oct. 5, according to police. Hall was also in her mid 20s.
In the five-page note, Bowen claimed he strangled Hall in the bathtub, then dismembered her body before taking it in pieces to the kitchen, police said. An autopsy conducted today shows that Hall was in fact manually strangled, police said. It also appears that Hall’s body was cut up after she died, police said.
“He appeared to clean up the bathroom a lot after he did it,” one officer said.
Police found the victim’s head burned beyond recognition in a pot on top of the stove, and her legs and feet in the same condition in pans inside the oven, police said.
Bowen was from Los Angeles, but apparently had lived in the New Orleans area for quite a while, police said. Friends said he served in the military in Iraq and Afghanistan and displayed both pride and bitterness over that experience.
We can expect to hear plenty more stories like this when more veterans come home. Sometimes, you can't escape the horror in your mind.
So cooking another human being is a direct result of serving time in the military in Iraq huh? God, you just continue to get dumber.
Because, cooking your girlfriend is something you could learn at home?
You see Dan, I know our military is going around Iraq and dismembering human beings and it seems like I'm constantly seeing story after story regarding the cooking of innocent civilians by Islamic extremists.
Could it be that this guy was just whacked out of his ing mind?
Casualties of War. If you don't think war leaves you with some horrible memories you haven't been in war.
Are you implying that I don't think war leaves one with some horrible memories?
Dan, are you the results of too much liberalism? I would guess so.
No, but that war changes a person permanantly and you cannot dismiss it as a possible reason for this man's actions. That is all.
Not to put the blame on the war but rather as a fact that cannot be denied. It is always much easier to support a war when one does not see the effects first hand.
No, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you on this one. I have a father that served in Vietnam and he still to this day talks about things he saw and has told me on several occassions about the nightmares he's had regarding the war. Having said that, one still has to be totally ed in the head in order to do something such as what this guy has done, it's not just Iraq's fault. If it was Iraq's fault (and you know what I mean when I say "Iraq's fault") then every soldier would come home and have girlfriend stew with a limb as an appetizer.
I think it can trigger something that has been there all along but in all honesty we'll never know.
What we do know is the DOD doesn't consider PTSD to be a high priority issue, or else they wouldn't cut funding, so guys like this likely slip through the cracks.
John, that last sentence was damn-well goofy. Think about that for one second..."if it were Iraqs fault, every soldierwould come home and have girlfriend stew with a limb as an appetizer." So, what this amounts to is that if some certain situation affects you negatively then it must affect everybody in the same manner, or it affects noone at all.
War s with you, and, just like everything in life, everybody has different experiences there, and everybody responds to these different experiences differently. Some soldiers will have knowingly killed civilians, perhaps children. Some soldiers will have just killed jackass murdering terrorists. Some soldiers will suffer terribly for these killings, some will not. For instance, my fiancee freaks out and cries if she kills an opossum, whereas I just get a touch upset when I see it suffering, half alive.
You absolutely cannot say that people must all react in the same manner to a specific stumuli, especially is said stimuli varies between the specific soldiers involved.
This is low, even for you. Ass.We can expect to hear plenty more stories like this when more veterans come home. Sometimes, you can't escape the horror in your mind.
What do you mean by low? Is his statement low because it insults U.S troops? Well, it doesn't. It is no slap to the face of our brave men and women to say that war will mess with their minds because it is a proven fact. Other Iraqi veterens have killed themselves after coming home because they couldn't cope with what they had to do and what they have to see.
Is it low because it is putting down the U.S military? No. Sure the way we put soldiers through what is, in essence, a de-sensitivity training can lead to worse mental anguish and explosions when they get home, simply because bottled up feelings have a habit of fermenting, but Dan didn't say that they were wrong for this, and it can even be argued that it saves soldier suicides while in the combat zone.
Perhaps his wording wasn't too soft, but being politically correct is what everybody es about the liberals doing anyway. Somebody wants to eat their cake it seems.
His statement is low because he says that he expects like this to happen more often as Vets return.
Look, I know you're a liberal, and a stupid one at that, but . How hard is it to read a comment from Dan where he's nonchalantly stating that more servicemen will return from the war and chop up their wives/girlfriends and not realize what a pathetic person he is?
It's not about his wording, it's about his bull insinuations and expectations. This was a sad and tragic situation, and personally I think anyone trying to play politics with a situation like this is a piece of human being.
How's that for being non-PC?
RE:Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen
True-nothing new here, i Remember my grandmothers uncle and his "Mus gas from WWI.
You bet and lets take a look at what it might have been.
During Katrina, Some holdouts seem intent on keeping alive the distinct and wild spirit of this city. In the French Quarter, Addie Hall and Zackery Bowen found a unusual way to make sure that police officers regularly patrolled their house. Ms. Hall, 28, a bartender, flashed her breasts at the police vehicles that passed by, ensuring a regular flow of traffic....
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/na...rssnyt&emc=rss
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War s with you, and, just like everything in life, everybody has different experiences there, and everybody responds to these different experiences differently.[/unquote]
Not only WAR
full story and links on Drudge report:http://drudgereport.com/
AHF, give Dan a break
Last edited by BIG IRISH; 10-18-2006 at 09:03 PM.
1. Anybody with any sanity expects more things like this to happen as they come home. If it happens to some, and the more come home, it will happen more often. Simple reasoning.
2. Jesus jumping Christ you are so ignorant it is not even funny. I am NOT a liberal, and I definetely would not be considered a stupid one even if I were. (I am assuming that by that you meant strict boutons-esque party line adherent.) I am a libertarian who has liberal social views, and strictly conservative economic views. A.K.A, a pure libertarian. If Hillary runs I will not vote democrat in 08. And if McCain runs, I will def. vote republican. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it your ignorant piece of trash.
And for some future advice, never say "I know" if you really don't, you look foolish."
3. It is not playing politics to mention how this will likely happen. Not when I say it anyway. It is remarking about a sad, and inevitable aspect of war. Sure it could be used politically I guess, but anything you say could. I could say that I wish 9-11 hadn't happened, but who am I backing, Bush or Clinton? They both ed up. Liberals go to war, conservatives go to war. The lies behind the Iraq war are not in question right now, I am simply remarking about the sad truth behind what lies in wait for these brave soldiers when they come home. The demons will be there.
Good God I am sick of partisan hackery in this message board, in my family, and in the world in general. It's pathetic, dissapointing, and depressing. Grow up, get educated, and learn how to think rationally.
I do not take kindly to be affiliated, even in the words of a jackass such as yourself, with either party. This will be the standard response each time it happens.
en Forum Post of the month. Nice.
Cracks me up that everyone on here seems to hit a snapping point in their posts and eventually comes back to the " everyone in politics" take. I've hit that point several times. Just goes to show you that unless you're Boutons or Yoni, it's damn near impossible to try and defend all the wads all the time.
Oh, and Dan, you're still an idiot.
I just realized why Dan's comment here bothered me so much and I think it's the same for the others that it bothered. It's because Dan's posts come off like Eric Cartman pretending to care. They seem so insincere just to get a reaction out of people. Plus he's fat.
My uncle(s) served in Vietnam. One is pretty darn normal, the other is whack job with no knives in the house.
The "normal" never talks about the war. My father clued us in when we were little though, he was a sniper.
The "whacko" was special ops. My mother and grandmother told me stories when he back from war. The nightmares, the emtional moments where he would be crying like a 3 year old screaming about atrocities that he himself commited.
Frightening for anyone with a modi of compassion.
This is just another excuse for people's bad behavior. "It's not my fault because (fill in the blank)." We all have a conscience and know right from wrong. This guy was pissed because his girlfriend was breaking up with him and kicking him out - so he exacted his revenge. The fact that he then committed suicide shows that he knew he had committed a horrendous act, and he didn't want to face the consequences. At least the taxpayers won't have to pay for a trial!
I like it Crookshanks.
Every post you have made on this forum has been liberal in nature. I'm just calling a spade a spade.I am NOT a liberal,
Over 200,000 of our military have rotated through Iraq. One person kills like this, and suddenly dumbasses like you and Dan expect it to be happening all the ing time.1. Anybody with any sanity expects more things like this to happen as they come home. If it happens to some, and the more come home, it will happen more often. Simple reasoning.
That's what pathetic, and even moreso is to make it political in nature.
I've got 4 co-workers who fought in Iraq. Three are married and one has a finacee. I guess I should tell them all this weekend that they need to leave their husbands while there's still time
You're as partisaned and do as much hacking, look in the ing mirror.Good God I am sick of partisan hackery in this message board, in my family, and in the world in general. It's pathetic, dissapointing, and depressing. Grow up, get educated, and learn how to think rationally.
Good for you. My original criticism was aimed at NBA . If you don't want to be associated with his political hacks, don't defend him. If you do, don't get your panties in a bunch when I associate you with him. Pretty damn simple.It is not playing politics to mention how this will likely happen. Not when I say it anyway.
The way you make it sounds almost makes it sound as if the war, and the toll war exacts on the individuals involved, had no role in his actions. If this guy was psychotic beforehand, would he had survived basic training, would he have survived being woken up before day-break by a pissy ass drill seargent every single day to run for miles, and get screamed at because he tucked his covers in wrong? Would this raving lunatic have made it through a war-zone without committing insane atrocities? I think not!
Sure he killed himself afterewards, but first I would like to say that it is downright foolish to state that the reason must be that he knew what he did was wrong. I have heard of tons of suicide cases, and known a few suicidal people, and very few want to kill themselves because they did something wrong, it is because they are emotionally and mentally shot, and they don't think the pain will go away. The guy was disturbed enough to cook his girlfriend, that is not plain and simple anger over a breakup. Punching her would be anger, maybe accidentally killing her in anger would be anger. But dismembering and cooking her is a sick, sick man. A sick man who could not have survived serving time in the military, nor made it through everything it takes to make it that far.
Whatever happened to support our troops? Do you remember Haditha? Conservatives freaked out because some left wingers were wanting trials for the soldiers, that they think that what they did was wrong, yet people who support the war, and I am assuming yourself, say that this is wrong, that we must support our troops, and that these brave young men and women simply had their hands forced through cir stances of war. Hmm, sounds fishy, who really supports the troops now? By your logic, nobody.
The soldiers who assisted in the Haditha are defended by, as I said, people saying that war made them do what they did, that it makes you act differently than you normally would. However, this young man comes home from the very same war, and you blame him for everything, you say that it is an inherent sickness within the man himself. Play by the same damn rules that you set forth. If we must always assume that the soldiers are doing what they do because of what war does to them, we always assume that. However, if we want to assume that they always have complete control, then I can sure as about Haditha and demand a sentence as you could have demanded about this guy had he not killed himself as well.
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