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    License to Lillard tlongII's Avatar
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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    He is right.

    Tiki Barber has earned the right to speak on his career as he wants.

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    Better than you MajorMike's Avatar
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    Well, I would say that a WR that got the world handed to him on a platter and couldn't keep coke out of him nose an idiot, yes.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    I would disagree with he got everything handed to him. Irvin worked his ass off during the season and off season. On the field he was one of the best....off the field was another story.

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    I would disagree with he got everything handed to him. Irvin worked his ass off during the season and off season. On the field he was one of the best....off the field was another story.

    Agreed

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    I just don't understand why the mentality of football analysts is to question Tiki Barber's motivations. The dude has been an elite player for a long period of time, but he's nearing the natural end of his career, and rather than hang on until someone tells him to leave, he's ready to move on and do other things. That's an understandable decision, particularly for someone who has as many post-football options available to him as Tiki Barber does. If he wants to play football, he should play; but if he'd rather move on to new things, what the difference does it make to anyone else? If he's been talking to his teammates about this for a while now, what the difference does it make to anyone else that the story is now beyond the confines of the Giants locker room?

    Tiki's decision makes perfect sense to me, and I have no idea why guys like Jackson and Irvin, who've been quite successful in their post-football careers, would question Tiki's desire to move along with his life. The sort of "you should play until you can't" projection strikes me as b.s. machismo and not an earnest assessment of what's right for Tiki.

    I applaud Tiki Barber for having his priorities straight and deciding for himself what is best. If he comes back to play next year great; if he moves into new things, that's great too.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    I applaud Tiki Barber for having his priorities straight and deciding for himself what is best. If he comes back to play next year great; if he moves into new things, that's great too.
    Amen.

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    The average life span of a RB in the NFL is something like 3 years. Tiki realizes he's beaten considerable odds and wants to be able to walk away from the game . . . and still be walking.

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    I agree with Tiki on this one. I guess he should play til' he's 40 and outlasted his welcome, like Brett Favre.

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    Irvin IS an idiot. But to say he had everything handed to him and he didn't have to work to be a good player is just as idiotic.

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    Better than you MajorMike's Avatar
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    Irvin IS an idiot. But to say he had everything handed to him and he didn't have to work to be a good player is just as idiotic.
    His flashy and rebellious style fit in well at the University of Miami, but it quickly drew intrigue and controversy in conservative Dallas. He routinely parked his sports car, with its self-described, customized license plate "The Playmaker," in "No Parking" zones during Cowboys' training camps. He visited Dallas strip clubs with regularity, and was known for socializing with strippers (despite being married).

    At 6'2" and 205 pounds, Irvin was a big, physical receiver who manhandled cornerbacks and often was able to make tough catches in defensive traffic. In part because of Irvin's ability to push off the defender with such ease, the NFL eventually changed its rules to adjust to wide receivers who emulated Irvin's physical style.

    Irvin played on argueably the best college and best pro teams of his day. His fault, no, his benifit - the opportunities were handed to him. Let's see him get those numbers with Baylor and Cleveland, just like let's see Emmitt become the rushing leader behind Detroit's O-Line.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    So then, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin had no talent?

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    Neither did Aikman.

    All of these guys were made by the Cowboys O-line.

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    You can't handle The Truth TheTruth's Avatar
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    That isn't very far off. That Cowboys OLine during their 90's run was probably the best line ever. It's debatable at least.

    Everything fed off of them. No doubt.


    Irving is an idiot, and I'm waiting for the day he pulls a Lyons and gets his ass fired.

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    You can't handle The Truth TheTruth's Avatar
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    Then maybe they will hire the 2nd worst pre-game commentator ever...THE ONE AND ONLY SHANNON SHARPE. Great TE, Terrible TV personality.

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    I was only partially kidding. The big three were good, but if they were on another team only Smith is a Hall of Famer.

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    Then maybe they will hire the 2nd worst pre-game commentator ever...THE ONE AND ONLY SHANNON SHARPE. Great TE, Terrible TV personality.

    The CBS pre-game team all ing suck at their jobs.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    I was only partially kidding. The big three were good, but if they were on another team only Smith is a Hall of Famer.
    Depending on the system, maybe. You put Aikman with Shanahan or Walsh, I think he is there also.

    Football is the ultimate team game, more often than not, to be successful, you need others.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    Then maybe they will hire the 2nd worst pre-game commentator ever...THE ONE AND ONLY SHANNON SHARPE. Great TE, Terrible TV personality.
    Agreed. A hall of famer on the field...but only on the field.

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    Depending on the system, maybe. You put Aikman with Shanahan or Walsh, I think he is there also.

    Football is the ultimate team game, more often than not, to be successful, you need others.
    Maybe. But another way of looking at it, you put Drew Bledsoe or Vinnie Testeverde on the 90s Cowboys, and they are first-ballot HoFers.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    I think that is a bit of a stretch...but always possible. That still doesn't mean that Aikman, Irvin and Smith did not have the talent to be great NFL players.

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    Better than you MajorMike's Avatar
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    So then, Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin had no talent?
    Everyone in the NFL has talent. How good was Alvin Harper with the Cowboys? How good was he when he left?

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    You can't handle The Truth TheTruth's Avatar
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    I think that is a bit of a stretch...but always possible. That still doesn't mean that Aikman, Irvin and Smith did not have the talent to be great NFL players.
    No it isn't. An in his prime Drew Bledsoe had more talent than Troy at any time. Put him with that offense and he is most definitely first ballot.

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    Just like you can't penalize Montana for being on a winner, you can't penalize Aikman. But in terms of QBing skills, I don't see that Aikman had anything over the other two, and he certainly had weapons they never did.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    I don't doubt that a system has something to do with a players success. Look at the Broncos churning out star running backs. My point is that the system alone was not responsible for their success.

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