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I have to agree that we are the largest rouge nation out there. Saying that outloud here though and you get labled a turncoat right the away.
In the ending days of the cold war everyone was wondering who would be the new threat to world peace. What country would replace the Soviet Union as the big bad bogeyman. What would America do as the lone super power in the world. The sad answer to that question is we've become the enemy, we are the bogeyman the rest of the world fears.
Our propaganda machine told us the common soviet was an evil super soldier devoted to the communist cause and ready to kill americans any chance he got, they're machine told a similar story of a decadent west. The truth of it was they were no different from you or me, the same wants the same fears.
Evil is relative, there are really very few truly evil people in the world. Remember that when people ask you to fight die and kill for notions like god, country, imperialism, manifest destiny, and yes money.
I have to agree that we are the largest rouge nation out there. Saying that outloud here though and you get labled a turncoat right the away.
Not really, it just gets you labeled a sad little man with not a lot of knowledge of the world around you.
don't worry
China will soon replace us as the big bad boogeyman on the world stage.
Except they really will be.
If overthrowing a sadistic dictatorship and establishing a fledging democracy who will have it's first free elections in January is the act of a rogue nation then maybe some of those other countries you adore so much should nut up and go rogue.
Is that so, and what knowledge would I be missing?
Would it be the part where the US meddles in governments and revolutions worldwide such as Cuba, Indonesia, and Central America?
Would it be where the US government strongarms Asian governments on governemtn control of currency while then doing the same in Korea when it was apparent how bad the crisis was getting?
Would it be the government that preaches about the opening of markets world wide then goes out of it's way to subsidize crops and other items here hurting farming worldwide and making the american consumer paymore?
Is it the government that refuses to meet the rest of the world at some comprimise when it comes to global warming?
Is it the government that ignored genocide in africa because there were no europeans or oil involved?
Is it the government that kills civilians removing dictators from power but turns around and supports other dictators when it suits it's needs?
God, i could go on, but i won't because I'm obviously lacking in knowledge.
China is very bad, but they lack the outward influence that the US has. Perhaps that is what seperates the 2.
The thing is, if you voted for Kerry, you voted for those things to continue happening. The nation's role in world affairs is entrenched. It's deeper than any political party. And Kerry wasn't committed to changing anything.
A vote for Kerry was the same as a vote for Bush. It was a vote for a continuation of the status quo when it comes to our place in the world.
I voted for Badnarik.
And I also tried to get sigs for Nader to be on the ballot. You're preaching to the choir on 3rd parties here.
Read your history Manny.China is very bad, but they lack the outward influence that the US has. Perhaps that is what seperates the 2.
With the incredible ongoing industrialization of China (without any of the environmental restrictions that ALL of the other industrialized nations abide by) will come great economic and political influence. They just signed a 70 BILLION dollar oil contract with Iran this week as just one example. The world influence of China is expanding at exponential rates.
don't fool yourself.
we will be dealing with a country that considers itself culturally superior to the rest of the world and it's booming economy and political direction is controlled by the military.
When they are ready to move they WILL move.
I'm glad you stood up and supported a third-party candidate. That wasn't a wasted vote.
The US has shown that we do as we want, not as we say.
Why are you so disenheartened then? Badnarik didn't have a chance, especially not in Texas.
China was one of my 'pet' projects as a history graduate student. I agree with you. China is the next Soviet Union, only it will be different.
And it's not going to be thirty years. We're looking at things tightening up in four years or so in my mind.
As opposed to a world dealing with a county that considers itselft culturally, morally, and spiritually superior to the rest of the world. Its economy and political climate controled by corporations?we will be dealing with a country that considers itself culturally superior to the rest of the world and it's booming economy and political direction is controlled by the military.
Manny
You might want to do some research into just how much outward economic influence China has in South America. I think you'd be suprised at just how involved they've become south of the equator.
And you also might like to look into just how much influence China has on the world's metals market as well.
Just a thought.
CC, I'm not sitting here saying good things about China. But quite honestly, the VAST majority of people in this country do not acknowledge the forms of soft imperialism that we use. They don't acknowledge the hipocritical actions we take, and how much of the world sees that.
We've always been told that we hold the brightest beacon of freedom here in the US. American's think that America is out to do for the world more than it's out to do for itself.
The facts simply don't back that up, but it's something that American's don't want to hear.
My point was never to make China into a saint. I merely stated they don't have as much influence as the US.
In all honesty, I think the only way to keep a country from letting it's own interests overshadow those of the rest of the world is to make sure it doesn't have the power to override the rest of the world.
America is too powerfull for the worlds good. Try being a politician and getting more than 300 votes based on that platform.
History will show that we are not a rogue nation, but instead the country with the foresight and global perspective to jump into the war against radical Islam first and to lead the way.
Britain, Israel, Poland, Australia, and Russia have already joined the cause, and as the plague of radislam expands globally, more people will realize that all industrial, modernized countries need to join the fight and join it on our side.
I'm not talking about just the war in Iraq AHF, There's a long list of things, mostly economic in fact, where we bully the world around.
The USA has a long history of going into ed up situations, making hard decisions and committments, and then fixing them militarily and then leaving...leaving democracy behind.As opposed to a world dealing with a county that considers itselft culturally, morally, and spiritually superior to the rest of the world. Its economy and political climate controled by corporations?
Recent examples include France, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Japan, and South Korea.
I simply don't see this as a bad thing.
I guess you do.
Personally, I would like us to solve our own problems first before we tackle everyone elses. Guess that makes me an isolationist.
if were so horrible Ice, get the out.
You and Robert Redford and Alec Baldwin can all catch the same plane right about now.
What about Indonesia? What about Afghanistan the first time around?
What about Cuba?
What about the Iran/Iraq war?
What about CENTRAL ING AMERICA??
YES, THE US DID GREAT THINGS IN WW2, but WHAT about AFTER THAT CC????
Explain to the me the above situations and how we were justified in ing around in the first place?
I'm leaving out vietnam, I'm just going to leave that one the out.
you Tpark, some of actually try to change things instead of sitting around playing with the silver spoon shoved up our asses.
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