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Don't worry...Anthony is pulling an O.J. and is writing a tell-all about the fight. It's destined to be a bestseller.
Last Saturday night, the Denver Nuggets and New York Knicks engaged in a nasty fight near the end of a blowout win by the Nuggets at Madison Square Garden. Replays of the brawl, which resulted in a 15-game suspension for the NBA's leading scorer Carmelo Anthony, were plentiful on TV afterwards and quickly found their way onto YouTube. Just as quickly, the YouTube fight videos began disappearing.
A search for the brawl on YouTube made just prior to publication yielded a handful of videos. Most of them, such as "Rumble in the Bronx," have vanished from the site and have been replaced with the following message: "This video has been removed at the request of copyright owner National Basketball Association because its content was used without permission." A couple of videos posted more recently are still up, but may not last much longer.
The disappearance of the videos looks like a clumsy image repair attempt on the NBA's part. There are countless other clips from NBA games still up, along with user-created highlight reels set to hip-hop music, so it appears that unlike other pro sports leagues, the NBA isn't terribly concerned with copyright infringement when it comes to fan-generated content.
Is it just damaging footage the NBA is bothered by? Could be, but there is still plenty of footage from another famous NBA donnybrook. A search for "Pacers Pistons" turns up plenty of footage from the notorious November 2004 melee involving players for the Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons, and some members of the crowd.
The NBA is extremely image conscious. Before last season, the league issued a handful of new rules for players, including a dress code for players not suited up for games or attending league or team functions. While it's possible, albeit difficult, to exercise a degree of control over television and print media, the Internet is a different animal. Once something harmful or damaging is uploaded somewhere, it will be copied, mirrored, and cached. It is possible to make undesirable material more difficult to find, but eliminating it altogether is another matter entirely. That makes attempts at retroactive damage control over the Internet very problematic.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061221-8474.html
Don't worry...Anthony is pulling an O.J. and is writing a tell-all about the fight. It's destined to be a bestseller.
I thought the NBA was pulling all videos used without their permission regardless of content? So why would this be any different?
That's weak by Stern and his NBA.
i'm sure you can still go to espn and see it if you haven't seen it a hundred times already.
Actually the NBA is in the process of getting all NBA game video removed from You Tube. It's not a weird conspiracy just to eliminate the fight video.The disappearance of the videos looks like a clumsy image repair attempt on the NBA's part. There are countless other clips from NBA games still up, along with user-created highlight reels set to hip-hop music, so it appears that unlike other pro sports leagues, the NBA isn't terribly concerned with copyright infringement when it comes to fan-generated content.
I think it's obvious that they made a concious decision to have these removed first, how else do you explain content that has been on longer and that infringes just the same but still exists on YouTube?
Coincidence, NAH!
I'm not saying that they didn't request it to be taken down first. And that's probably because the video was still up on the legit source (ESPN.com) at the time. I was just pointing out that they are in the process of getting it all removed.
I hate this kind of thing. It's like trying to doggy paddle in the middle of the ocean. Corporations and persons, such as the NBA, need to stop fighting the internet. It's a medium that is always going to exist, that is increasing in its influence, and that is becoming rapidly more accepted and used fluently, and in some cases exclusively, by an expanding demographic. And there is nothing they can do to stop it. So they need to start working with it.
For example, there will always be "illegal" NBA clips, highlights, etc on the internet. They will always exist, if even in varying amounts, and there is nothing the NBA can do to remove them. So why not harness this strength and sustainability? Why not produce professional footage, showing things like highlights, and simply give them to the public? Why not make POSITIVE footage, compiled professionally, readily available? Why not, instead of removing it, encourage it? The NBA, as an example, is attempting damage control by deletion. Wouldn't it be easier, and better, and more effective for the NBA's "image" if they ADDED to the existing, publicity-drawing mediums?
And for that matter, isn't the NBA smart enough to know that CONTROVERSY, and EXPOSURE draws attention? Draws fans? Draws revenue? I don't have the statistics to back me up, but I am willing to bet the NBA got more, lasting publicity from the Pacers/Pistons brawl than they did from the happy-go-lucky story of David Robinson retiring with a championship, or Shaq giving kids toys at Christmas, or any one of the other "heart-warming" stories they like to highlight. When will they realize that NEGATIVITY and EXCITEMENT creates lasting impressions on people, which will in turn increase the fan base. Television has already figured this out. The NBA needs to as well.
Ok, I'll get off my soap box now.
Except enforce its copyright.and there is nothing the NBA can do to remove them.Fights don't help the NBA's bottom line at all.And for that matter, isn't the NBA smart enough to know that CONTROVERSY, and EXPOSURE draws attention? Draws fans? Draws revenue?
Wait til they stop allowing pictures.
Yeah, but realistically, they can't do anything to eradicate them completely. The most they'll be able to do is remove bulk items like major-hit YouTube videos, and then target a few, select, smaller website, publicize the enforcement, and scare websites such as SpursTalk into submission. They cannot, completely, or anywhere near thoroughly remove illegal videos. It's like trying to fight cancer by giving chemotherapy -- it helps, yeah, but it's not a viable solution to the problem.Except enforce its copyright.
I think we'd have to define this a little more if you wanted to argue about it. Fights get the NBA publicity. I hadn't watched ESPN all week, and then that fight broke out, and I immediately turned it on. And I'm willing to be A LOT of others did as well. Don't you think programs like ESPN are happy when things like this happen? It gives them some controversy to report on, which ALWAYS draws viewers. And ESPN (again, used as an example) pays the NBA a little bit of money for the right to broadcast. Care to argue that ESPN wouldn't pay so much if the NBA didn't create some controversy once in a while?Fights don't help the NBA's bottom line at all.
I'm not saying the NBA creates fights or controversy or anything of that matter, I'm just explaining that it may benefit them to not care quite as much. If the NFL really wanted its players do stop "using the ball as a prop," don't you think they'd fine them an amount that actually discouraged that? I think the NFL is onto something.
They would prefer to keep it limited to Kobe vs. Shaq type stuff. Advertisers and corporate partners don't like being associated with NBA fights. That's just the way it is.Care to argue that ESPN wouldn't pay so much if the NBA didn't create some controversy once in a while?
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