Would you consider me a racist:
If i went to a "church congregation which is Unashamedly White" and prided themselves on being "a European people" who "remain 'true to our native land,' which adopted a "White Value System" which pledges allegiance "to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System" and a "personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System."
?
yes because excludes others based on their race. which is based on and leads into a line of thinking that at the best is intolerant and ignorant.
the same applis for if you switched the words "white" to read black, african american, korean, french, or martian.
Obama?
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Ins utions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
These are your church concepts, CM.
And I do not think it is necessarily racist, at least in absolute terms.
Any church with such exlusionary tactics is not very Christian, imho.
I would also add that if you even have to ask yourself that question, you probably already have your answer.
You're a racist cracker.
Correct.
Obama says he is a Christian with "deep faith rooted in the Christian tradition." He is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago, which on its web site declares to be a "congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian" and "an African people" who "remain 'true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted a "Black Value System" which pledges allegiance "to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System" and a "personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System."
How is that not racist??
Because white guys aren't doing it.
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and I also think that you are REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEACHING.
What? You want these guys run out or there like you were?
BTW: Arguing that an organization, in this country, espousing black pride, is racist is a non-starter. However much it may be "not fair", it is what it is. The majority in our society, the white majority, ARE held to a higher standard because of many reasons, not the least of which are: Slavery, segregation, lynchings, etc....
It is understandable for a relatively recently oppressed minority group to be wary of calls from a White organization espousing "All White Leadership." From a practical standpoint, we have that now (Look at pictures of Congress from the State of the Union Address). If Whites then band together because that level of control is not ENOUGH, then, again practically speaking, they MUST desire an entire society that is exclusionary and elitist.
Minority groups in this country, and especially African American minority groups, are not, and probably should not, be held to that standard. Their rhetoric CANNOT lead to the same systemic racial abuses that Whites were able to carry out for hundreds of years on this continent. That rhetoric is certainly tinged with racism, but I would consider it more prideful than racist, and, again, not very dangerous. That being said, the fact that Obama is a member of the congregation, however, does raise questions about his own sensibilities.
If his church said that people were not allowed to join because of their race, then yes it would be racist. I didn't see anywhere that was said...if it was I missed it.
So, a black girl can enter the Miss USA but a white girl can't enter the Miss Black USA? That is not racist? Can you imagine the NAACP going nuts if the Don started a Miss White USA?
Are you guys sure he's a member?
http://www.tucc.org/home.htmMEET SENATOR BARACK OBAMA!!!
On Sunday, January 28th, immediately following the 11:00 a.m. worship service, meet Senator Barack Obama, author of the best-selling book, Audacity of Hope. Purchase your copy of Audacity of Hope in the Akiba Bookstore and have it personally signed by Senator Obama. You do not want to miss this monumental experience!
Loaded thread.
Look, it isnt fair or balanced, but the bottom line is that black people can have all black colleges and schools (which are partially funded by the government) but white people cannot.
Get over it. If it bothers you that much, take solace in the fact that in under 30 years, white people will be a minority in this country. Affirmative Action for white people.
Nevermind, he is. I just thought it was weird that they would have a bulletin posted to meet a member...
As you were.
I have stumbled upon this argument a few times, and generally in some US media (Print, Radio, TV...).
And frankly I don't get it. A person (I don't really care who it is) who excludes a group of other people based on their race, religion, ethnicity, nationality or cultural background is a racist plain and simple.
In my life I've met racist from many different groups (from the above criteria) and I don't really understand why I should treat/consider them differently because they are from different groups?
I'm not trying to reduce the responsability of the white people (God knows we have some really bad specimen) but if you behave as bad as ours do, you're just as big an asshole.
Last edited by Slomo; 01-25-2007 at 11:46 AM. Reason: Typo
We already do.
“Just as my pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright from Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, welcomed me as a young man years ago, UCC churches across the country open their doors to millions of Americans each Sunday, and they accept, love and counsel all who enter,” Obama said. “This spirit of inclusiveness has served as a model for me in my time in the Senate, and the love for one’s fellow man that the UCC stands for is the foundation of my work.”
Doesn't seem to racist to me. *shrug*
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
Some of their concepts seem a bit over the top to me... namely "A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA" and "Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System" and such... but I doubt they would exclude anyone who wanted to worship with them.
I wouldn't go as far as to say they're racist... I have no problem with a congregation that worships according to heritage and traditions (these roots and traditions happen to be African and not, say, Italian). If they are offering a place for Christians to worship in a way that pleases God and is spiritually uplifting for them then more power to them.
My only problem with this church would be if it is immoderately involved in Politics, etc. But that wouldn't have anything to do with race, and it certainly wouldn't be limited to this church.
lol.We already do.
It would be superfluous and redundant to espouse allegiance to a "White Value System" in America, since the core political and moral values on which the United States is based came over from European movements. We speak English. Our political ideals flowed out of the European Enlightenment. The dominant brands of Christianity in the U.S. mostly have their roots in Europe. Our most dominant customs and traditions mostly are based upon European customs and traditions. While there is striving to be as inclusive as possible, the Eurocentrism of American culture is obvious and common-sensical. This is not a value judgment, but rather an obvious observation that the United States is part of Western civilization, which I think we are all pretty clear on.
Given that context, when "White Values" is held up as a political movement, the usual connotation is white supremacy. That is racist.
So, an expression of a "Black Value System" connotes a contrast against the implied, predominant, European-based value system of the country at large, and is not racist.
what would be the point of a miss black usa if a white girl could enter? why would they even have one.....
captmike is reaching..... real hard.....
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