I know he got to play some garbage time last night against a team that plain gave up, but 18 minutes with 3 dimes and no turnovers. He didn't look all that bad, and played with some heart. He could be the Darrell Armstrong of this squad. Bonner was putting in some hustle as well.
I think the bench is going to dramatically improve. The Rodeo Road trip has always been a time where the team could gel and this year we had to expect a harder road than before. A lot of new faces on the squad, some injuries to Elson and Bonner have kept us from having a steady rotation, but I think they are starting to wake up.
And I truly feel that Vaughn at the backup point is alright. He's at least not a pussy like Beno. Udrih's best defense is "don't make me look bad and I'll go Ameachi for you."
More Vaughn, trade Oberto and Beno for anyone else with expiring contracts and draft a back up point this year. Start Elson and get Ely in the lineup, and we have a ring by the end of the year.
You drew a comparison to Darrell Armstrong...and that's pretty accurate. The problem is that Darrell Armstrong was a THIRD string PG on a championship-contending Dallas team. He's only now starting to see his minutes increase on a Pacer team on the lottery bubble.
I like Vaughn in limited minutes, but not to have a backup (as you suggest by trading Beno away) is rediculous, based on a few games in which he played decent...
Wait some time, then we will see how good he is. Better than Beno never!
Vaughn is an offensive liability, but...um, he's 3rd string at best, and he does his job well. ...but when the pressures on, I 'm not so sure he's up for the role when Tony's sitting. I'd rather have Barry and Manu do a tandem guard thing, then have Vaughn play crucial minutes.
That said, he's not putting himself in the negative. He directs and handles the ball pretty well, or at least minimizes how much his deficient game from influencing bad possessions. Unlike Beno. He maximizes his potential to things up. Even if Beno DOES have more ability than Vaughn. Bleh Beno would benefit by playing for another team.
Vaughn has the intangibles that Beno will never have. He dives for loose basketballs, not loose balls in the locker room like Beno. Vaughn is a better defender, more reliable ball handler, less turnover prone. I think he has better chemistry with the second squad, and with Barry there he can be rotated in and not lose a big lead for us when they are both resting. Vaughn is hands down the solution for us this season. Like I said, trade Beno and Oberto for an expiring, draft a PG this year and let TP teach him how it is done.
if Spurs trade Beno i cant wait to see Udrih-Vaughn 1on1!
The thing I think you have to love about Vaughn is the energy he brings and it seems to be infectious with the other players on the floor.
I had to laugh at the commentators last night, when Vaughn hit the floor and took the ball from AI. They started talking about how "tough" Iverson is, but he got up looking like a whipped puppy, while Vaughn had the presence of mind to get a TO called before someone could tie him up.
I think Vaughn and Manu on the floor together brings a ton of energy to what is going on at the time.
We don´t need him more tham 10 mins P/game anyways at the playoffs.I think we could use Beno to trade him for a SF.That´s an issue right now,considering that Bowen´s back isn´t too healthy at this moment.(see on Bowen´s back worries Pop thread)
vaughn polays with alot of energy for being someone that people consider a dinosaur in this league. most think he isn't an effective point guard, while he knows how to set up the offense,and doesn't make the stupid decisions that beno makes. and every once and a while, vaughn will get a few shots up. he plays MUCH better defense than beno,and at this point,i think we have enough people that can score to where we don't need beno's 3 point shot,because thats basically all he brings to this team. i really do hope he's gone by thursday,but if not,then oh well,put him on the inactive list.
Vaughn and Manu>Beno and Barry(as far as bench production)
Plus,since Manu and Vaughn are coming from the bench Finley and the rest of the guys have shown more energy on both Of.and Defensive ends.
I really think the two of them are showing the rest of the bench players that they need to play with more energy and give 110% night in and night out.
I'm not a proponent of Beno because I think his lack of confidence has tanked his ability to create and even hit open shots, BUT I do think the Spurs need to address the backup PG spot to get a player with the potential to create offensively. The Spurs have plenty of "shooters", but off-nights or off-series by Barry & Finley cannot be negated by the play of Vaughn. IMO, the Spurs need to add another offensive weapon to the backcourt, a "scorer" preferably.
exactly, which is why smart people would want someone like a Chucky Atkins. he might be older than teams want him to be, but he sure can score.
Ivy is a balla, Vaughn is a real man
Not only do Vaughn and Manu bring energy off the bench, but Matt Bonner is a hustler too. Did you see that guy playing with wreckless abandon after the injury that put him out for 16 games? He is an animal on the offensive glass, a crowd favorite and if not for those missed free throws (which you could tell made his confidence disappear) he can be a great spot up shooter (the second coming of Robert Horry). The Red Rocket makes a great addition to the bench, Vaughn is a spark plug and everyone around him responds and Manu off the bench is just a sign of how incredibly bad he wants to win. This team is hungry and will do well in the playoffs as long as they all stay healthy and use the rest of the season to find some consistency in their rotations and gel as a team (thanks to Rodeo Road Trip they seem to be playing harder already, i.e. diving for loose balls when you are up by 30 in the 3rd quarter.)
Atkins would be great, I would also settle for Dixon, who's name has been mentioned of late.
If Tony gets in foul trouble, the Spurs are still up a creek.
same thing goes if #2 player for any team gets in foul trouble.
spurs still have Barry or Manu to play the Point Pos.besides Vaughn IF Parker gets in foul trouble.
But,in other hands,I don´t know what´s gonna happen if Bowen´s back keeps on hurting him.That worries me more tham the backup PG.
Vaughn has heart and he's seems to be finishing better now that he's the teams backup pg. Plus, he plays way better defense than Beno. I like Vaughn, he plays winning basketball IMO.
Not necessarily. If Josh Howard gets into foul trouble, the Mavs can bring in Stackhouse or Buckner. If Terry gets into foul trouble, the Mavs can bring in Harris or Johnson.
There's a bigger talent disparity between the Spurs bench and the Mavs bench....one reason why Pop has gone to bringing Manu off the bench.
Lottery bubble??? The Pacers are currently the 5th or 6th seed in the east and have a winning record (probably 4-5 games above 500)...how is that a team on the lottery bubble?
Right on. The guy plays hard 100% of time that he's on the court. He dives for loose balls, grad rebounds in traffic and plays tough d. He may not have the best scoring abilities but I appreciate his efforts and passion. I feel more comfortable when JV is on the court than when Beno is.
true we are not as deep as mavs but,
if Howard gets in foul trouble Mavs could lose to a mediocre team. Same thing w/Spurs. Like someone said, we'd still have Manu,barry to run point.
As bad as some of you claim Vaughn is, and how he doesn't deserve more minutes, he's a better option than Van Exel was, and with Nick as our backup we did decent.
6th seed, 4 games above .500....with Miami (now has shaq back) and Orlando only two games back. As I said, they are a fringe lottery team (only the top eight teams from each conference advances, and the rest are in the draft lottery).
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