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The Spurs weren't so much gassed as beat by Sacto. I had heard that Parker's condition was such that if it were the regular season, he wouldn't have played.
Last year only eight players played in every game in the series vs the Mavs:
Duncan (41 minutes) 32-12-4
Parker (38 minutes) 20-4-3
Manu (35 minutes) 21-4-2
Finley (37 minutes) 10-5-1
Barry (23 minutes) 5-3-1
Bowen (39 minutes) 5-2-1
Horry (16 minutes) 3-4-0
Van Exel (10 minutes) 1-1
No one else played in more then three games, and when they did play it was not more then 6 minutes.
Thats a very short roster .. I have been talking with a spurs fan on a different board about the playoffs last year and he believes that the team was "gassed" (His word, not mine) at the end of regulation in game seven ... With the short bench .. I can see why.
My question is this ...
I don't think that Duncan, Parker or Manu's minutes will go down. With Barry starting, likely his minutes will stay the same. Bowen will likely get over 30 minutes.
That leaves Finley and Horry's minutes to massage Elson and Oberto into the games (Does Bonner even play? What about Vaughn?)
What do you see as the minutes distribution?
Last edited by Dalhoop; 03-09-2007 at 09:25 PM. Reason: Corrected with updated info
The Spurs weren't so much gassed as beat by Sacto. I had heard that Parker's condition was such that if it were the regular season, he wouldn't have played.
I really don't want this to become a "Why the Spurs lost" thread. What I would like to know is how the minutes are going to be distributed.The Spurs weren't so much gassed as beat by Sacto. I had heard that Parker's condition was such that if it were the regular season, he wouldn't have played.
Are you saying that Parkers minutes could go up, now that he is healthy (Healthy-er)? Where would those minutes come from?
Give me a moment dude, I'll give Pop a ring and ask him............................................... .................................................. ..................................... Damn got his voice mail, i'll PM you when he calls me back and let you know
The minutes will probably stay about the same. Well, if we don't go small ball (please!), Finley will probably see less minutes and Elson will see a decent amount of minutes. Horry might see more, and Vaughn will probably be used in spot situations to give Tony a short break.
Damn, Pop still hasn't called me back.... SUMNA !
Uh, you're the one that said they were gassed. I just refuted that. Sorry the post didn't meet your expectations.
Parker won't play more minutes, but he will be more efficient. Some of his drop from 51% in the first round to 42% FG in the second was Dallas and some was him dragging a leg. Don't count on him shooting that low again.
If the Oberto/Elson combo combines for say .. 30 minutes. Does that mean that most of Finelys minutes will be lost?
Does Bonner have to play, or is he going to watch the game (I think he is going to watch)
These should start -
Parker, Barry, Bowen, Duncan and Elson
These should play -
Manu, Finley, Oberto ...
This is already one over what was used last year and we haven't added Vaughn, Horry and Bonner into the minutes mix. (I don't think that any of the three will play more then 5 minutes a game .... some not at all)
We can only hope Elson gets many more minutes then Findawg.
Or hope Pop retires after this year.
If Bowens back is still hurting and he contributes zero on offense he needs to have his minutes reduced also. Some games we can get away with no O, but not all.
Oh, and you're original post is flawed. Seven players who are still here played all 7 games, but there was an 8th that played all 7 games, 10mpg.
What kind of minutes are you talking about? You've quantified it allright dalhoop, but Pop and staff's assignments of minutes won't differ much from your last year's underwhelming victory over an aged and "gassed" crew. Last year's minutes are set right now as a template. Without analyzing what kind of minutes those were last year you ignore previous factors such as extended playoff seasons segueing into international games, foot injurie minutes, hip injury minutes, and your boys came within a foul of not being able to overcome those debilitating elements? Those minutes last year and these minutes this year, as far as I'm concerned, can stay the same because there are no correlations other than as a quan y.
Now let's talk about "the system." The new players on Spur's team have caught on with the intricacies of "the system." You haven't observed this because had you seen the latest game, you would have seen how Bonner thrives on any minutes given to him, and that boy is hungry to tear into anyone, he's shown no fear against anyone, anytime, any team this year. He's never backed off the bigs, throughly enjoying the banging. He's crafty, too, turning a sneak play into points at a crucial juncture at the end of a game.
J. Vaughn, he's earned his minutes and Pop's trust thru his defense and offense, but mostly to his decisions running the offense.
Big boy Ely remains an x factor at this point, older, beefier, unproven untested but has the experience to carve out minutes for himself once he tastes the heady wine of postseason play and media exposure.
Do I need to talk about Elson, no, not if you really are a conscientious follower of the game.
Oberto? He's Manu's shadow and complimentary, and that's quite a compliment.
Did not, someone else did. I just looked up the minutes to investigate the idea. I was rather stunned that the Spur would shorten their bench that far. At the time I didn't notice it.Uh, you're the one that said they were gassed. I just refuted that. Sorry the post didn't meet your expectations.
Do you think that they well shorten it that far again? I understand that Elson/Oberto will get more of a look, but it will take minutes from the other players.
For instance, if Vaughn plays 10 minutes a game. Could the Spurs get 20 points from Parker in under 30 minutes?
It just seems like they are going to gassed again (Again, not my words) in this years playoffs. If they were beat-up, couldn't it happen again?
If the Spurs beefed up their bench (Manu helps with this greatly) and then don't use them, whats the point.
read the post above
I don't think that the minutes can stay the same. Elson/Oberto will have to get minutes, and those minutes have to come from someplace (As would Bonners and Vaughns ... And Elys)You've quantified it allright dalhoop, but Pop and staff's assignments of minutes won't differ much from your last year's underwhelming victory over an aged and "gassed" crew.
You see what I'm saying? (Typing)
The minutes have to change if you insert five more players into the mix ... How they play doesn't really concern me, it would be who sits when they play.
Give me a break, I have S.A.D. (Slow Ass Dial-up)read the post above
Thinking they can't stay the same and the reality of that they are the same as of yesterday, today, and tomorrow dalhoop are the difference in mindsets.
Gametime decisions alter minute allotments, more to starters, less to starters, more to bench, less to bench, that you don't think they can stay the same way is a notion that is ,well, at best, dated.
Vaughn's 10 minutes would be Van Exel's, the 8th player of your 7 to play in all 7 games last year. I think Vaughn might do better than 1.1/1.3 per contest on 33% shooting, too.For instance, if Vaughn plays 10 minutes a game. Could the Spurs get 20 points from Parker in under 30 minutes?
Maybe
In the playoffs, teams often shorten the bench ... The Mavs do, last year the Spurs definitly did.Thinking they can't stay the same and the reality of that they are the same as of yesterday, today, and tomorrow dalhoop are the difference in mindsets.
Gametime decisions alter minute allotments, more to starters, less to starters, more to bench, less to bench, that you don't think they can stay the same way is a notion that is ,well, at best, dated.
Many people here complain about "small ball" as something that the Spurs didn't do all season then with the Mavs is was on all the time. It would not be unusual for the minutes in the playoffs to be altered.
The stars play more .. The roll players less ... The ones that have not earned the trust, not at all.
Small ball didn't work, so the Spurs changes some players to make playing "Bigger" easier. The small ball players are still on the team (Finley and Barry primarily)
Because "small ball" is out ... You hope ... Do those players see their minutes given to Elson/Oberto. How does this effect Horry (Last year he was the only other big to play besides Duncan)
I know you think that I am talking down against the Spurs ... I'm not, I am just wondering who, in the minds of Spurs fans, are the "Odd men out"
I guess my source deletes retired players ... My bad. Thanks.Vaughn's 10 minutes would be Van Exel's, the 8th player of your 7 to play in all 7 games last year. I think Vaughn might do better than 1.1/1.3 per contest on 33% shooting, too.
I just went to the Spurs official NBA site, clicked on stats, clicked on last year's stats, and then on playoffs, then conference semi finals.
Corrected (ESPN has removed Van Exel completely)I just went to the Spurs official NBA site, clicked on stats, clicked on last year's stats, and then on playoffs, then conference semi finals.
I'll tell you what's scary dalhoop, Pop can do anything he wants to do, making your and my words here only so much dust blowing on that '07 trophy that will occupy space in our display case!
We can only go by what currently goes, and those that formulate Spur's
players minutes will tweak and change from game to game. Manu is so ever in flux and there are new players that will bring out new twists to our game.
Now why would we want to repeat the mistakes of the past?
We've already got players that are more rested and peaking at a good time.
That beats last year.
This is a rejuvenated team. How? I dunno, but their pace is faster, offense or defense doesn't matter, with Elson on or sitting out.
Could we be speaking of plateauing, namely, your Mavs?
Could we be speaking of continually peaking, our Spurs?
Pure speculation and manipulating of second hand information more likely......
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