Kobe's feat isnt if you ask me, and here is why...

**lebomb** · 03-24-2007

He took 29 shots and 16 FTs to hit 50. A total freaking ball hog. Chris Paul only took 15 shots.....the next most shots taken by any player in the game. , if he would have taken 29 shots, he would have hit 60 or more.

Im just not impressed when someone shoots THAT much to reach 50 or more.

I think lots of players could do it if they ball hogged.

IMHO.............

**lebomb** · 03-24-2007

LMAO.........he took 37 shots the night before! Ball hog.

**JamStone** · 03-24-2007

Over the four game stretch, Kobe is shooting 53% from the field, 52% from three point range, 93% from the free throw line, and has only committed 8 total turnovers.

Ballhog maybe. But, any perimeter player that shoots 50% from the field is impressive. More so with Kobe because he's taking a lot of long jumpers, fade-aways, and most of his shots are contested, sometimes by multiple defenders.

**lebomb** · 03-24-2007

If most players took that many shots.........they would get 50-60pts every night. Just look at the box scores of all games, which I just did. There were lots of players shooting 50% from the field but only taking half as many shots as Kobe.

Its all bull ......everyone just sees the scoring, but not how many shots he took. , he took other peoples shots away from them.

**lebomb** · 03-24-2007

I want anyone to come in here and tell me that Tim Duncan, or Manu Ginobilli wouldnt have 50-60pts in a game if they shot the ball 30-40 times..........tell me they wouldnt.

Noone can........

, if Lebron or Wade or Arenas shot the ball that many times, they would easily have 50-60pts.

**RonMexico** · 03-24-2007

I watched the game - he was hogging the ball, but he was hitting some incredible shots. Besides, is anyone surprised Kobe is shooting for such a record? I think he's realized that he'll never win a le without Shaq and now is trying to jack up his individual numbers.

Once you get past the fact that he won't pass the ball, it's kind of impressive to watch in action because he is nailing some difficult jumpers out there. Then you also realize that he has to pass the ball to Shammond Williams, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown... haha.

Most impressive last night was Tyson Chandler's 20-20 game - he played incredible last night and it was really fun to watch a guy genuinely love the game and want his team to win - it was the complete opposite of Kobe's performance.

**ducks** · 03-24-2007

most players can not shoot over 50% what kobe is doing is amazing
for other players to get that they would have to shot more shots
I am impressed because he is hitting over 50% now if he did it and shot 30% then I would call him a ball hog

**ducks** · 03-24-2007

Originally Posted by lebomb

I want anyone to come in here and tell me that Tim Duncan, or Manu Ginobilli wouldnt have 50-60pts in a game if they shot the ball 30-40 times..........tell me they wouldnt.

Noone can........

, if Lebron or Wade or Arenas shot the ball that many times, they would easily have 50-60pts.

most games lebron does not shot over 50%

**JamStone** · 03-24-2007

**ManuTim_best of Fwiendz** · 03-24-2007

Originally Posted by RonMexico

Most impressive last night was Tyson Chandler's 20-20 game - he played incredible last night and it was really fun to watch a guy genuinely love the game and want his team to win - it was the complete opposite of Kobe's performance.

I agree, while the majority like the "glory" flash of it all. I'd still rather see an individual pull off a performance as an outcome of meshing WITH the team for the win. Kobe keeps it no secret he's just playing for himself, for the glory of it, for the sake of people playing up his individual records as something to gawk at--AND if the team ends up winning along the way. So be it.

He's got it all backwards! Records are more impressive, when they're a biproduct of their desire to WIN FOR THE TEAM. Not for yourself, and possibly the team.
The last two games he was hogging the ball. Now this is just speaking on personal preference. And others don't see it the same way. And that's fine. But for me, anyone who loves to watch a team effort starts to get sick of how full of himself he comes off towards the tail-end, despite the impressive array of super-talent. After a while, it gets repugnant.
Kobe's "achievements" are not the same type of achievements I'd appreciate like I would in Golf or Tennis. And Kobe seems to forget that.
I'd rather Kobe sacrifice 2 baskets for himself, and not making the record in order to make the more optimal play for the team. Than to keep that "individual glory" on the forefront of his mind. That said, it's just a matter of personal POV's.

"The thing that was frustrating for me was people were talking about, 'He's a dirty player,' which, for me, is pretty insulting," Bryant said. "To have people talking about something else besides that -- it's a much better feeling."

**JamStone** · 03-24-2007

I forgot Michael Redd. He's had a couple 50 point games.

Gilbert Arenas is the only other player in the league that I could see get 50+ points in 4 straight games, and I don't really think he could do it because he tends to have an off shooting night every once in a while. I don't think LeBron would make enough outside jumpers and free throws to consistently do it for 4 straight games. Dwyane Wade doesn't hit 3-pointers to do it in four straight games.

What is so amazing about Kobe's 4 game stretch is that he's doing it while shooting a lot of long jumpers and he's still shooting over 50% from the field. These aren't 20+ Wilt Chamberlain dunks for 50 points. They are long jumpers, fade-away jumpers, acrobatic reverse lay-ups, 3-pointers, and many if not most of them are contested shots. FOUR STRAIGHT GAMES. That's why it's amazing.

**RonMexico** · 03-24-2007

No one's discounting how amazing it is. It's just disappointing because it's all about the glory and all about Kobe. I was simply pointing out how the Hornets were working as a team last night to rally from 18 points down and make a game of it in the 4th quarter.

**ManuTim_best of Fwiendz** · 03-24-2007

I'll say, the stamina that Kobe has is impressive in itself. Taking that many shots and making them.

4 straight 50 point games while having to keep up that pace of 30 + shots (aka hogging the ball.

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But seriously, there's a reason why the Arenas, AI's (and Kobe's some days) don't pull it off all the time--and moreso the record is rarely matched or broken, it wears off in a week, cuz they still get tired. I don't think Kobe will make 50 if he attempts it in the next game. Though I'm not sure if he'll try.

**lordswing** · 03-24-2007

To the people saying Kobe isn't playing "for the win" and "for the team" should note that before his impressive streak of 4 50+ games, the Lakers lost 7 games when he's averaged 30 pts (he sat out one game). Sometimes your team is crap, and sometimes you just have to shoulder the load. I'd jump all over the ballhog bandwagon if Kobe didn't help his team win, but Kobe's done it everytime to help his team win.

**ABDENOUR POWER** · 03-24-2007

As long as Kobe is shooting over 50% from the field, you don't have much room to talk smack.

**Fabbs** · 03-24-2007

^^^ Yeah but the *game winner* vs Portland that started it all was a pretty greasy no call where he pushed off then travelled before sinking the shot.

Likewise last night New Orl made a very good comeback to come within 6. Kobester got a long rebound and was going to shoot no matter what. He came barrelling into obviously set Hornet and clancked a brick -only to have Hornet rung up for foul.

Beyond that, his shooting percentages are very good, especially his treys and FTs.

Since he is only the second to do it, obviously it is a feat. A meism feat as is his narccissitic personality? Oh yeah, but still quite a feat.

**ata** · 03-24-2007

You may hate Kobe as much as you want, however any player droping 50+ points while his team wins deserves respect.

**DarrinS** · 03-24-2007

He's the best one-on-one player in the NBA, but that's not what a TEAM needs.

**JamStone** · 03-24-2007

Originally Posted by RonMexico

No one's discounting how amazing it is.

Did you read the first post in this thread. Discounting how amazing it is is what lebomb is EXACTLY doing.

It's just disappointing because it's all about the glory and all about Kobe. I was simply pointing out how the Hornets were working as a team last night to rally from 18 points down and make a game of it in the 4th quarter.

How is it all about the glory of Kobe when his team is winning these games, and all of the games were decided by 7 points or less?

If Kobe scores 50 and his team loses by 10, then that's selfish. The Lakers had lost 7 straight games before Kobe went on his tear. He's taking it upon himself to will his team to win. Sure, he's getting a lot of pub and a lot of glory, but the main focus is still winning. It's less of a story if he's doing this and he's hurting the team and they're losing. He's not. He's helping the team win.

**DarrinS** · 03-24-2007

Originally Posted by JamStone

How is it all about the glory of Kobe when his team is winning these games, and all of the games were decided by 7 points or less?

If Kobe scores 50 and his team loses by 10, then that's selfish. The Lakers had lost 7 straight games before Kobe went on his tear. He's taking it upon himself to will his team to win. Sure, he's getting a lot of pub and a lot of glory, but the main focus is still winning. It's less of a story if he's doing this and he's hurting the team and they're losing. He's not. He's helping the team win.

They may be winning games, but I don't think its benefitting the team in the long run when they're all standing around watching Kobe make ESPN highlight reels.

**Leetonidas** · 03-24-2007

Dude you need to shut the up and give Kobe his props. Who cares if he's ball hogging? The Lakers are winning, and Kobe is doing some straight up incredible stuff right now. Hater.

**DarrinS** · 03-24-2007

Originally Posted by EssaySpur1001

Dude you need to shut the up and give Kobe his props. Who cares if he's ball hogging? The Lakers are winning, and Kobe is doing some straight up incredible stuff right now. Hater.

Not to take anything away from his INDIVIDUAL accolades, but the Lakers just plowed through four of the worst teams in the NBA.

I know the marketing people that sell jerseys and sneakers are really excited about this.

**lebomb** · 03-24-2007

I hear ya on a 4 game stretch.....but, I still say.....you give the green light on shooting to most players in the league and they can hit 50.

And that list from above???......that was just games here and there.......let these guys have 4-5 or 10 games like Kobe to do the same and I be you will see them pull off the 50+ games in a row. NOT very many player get the green light (TOTAL) green light from the coach. Usually the coach will say, "hey fool, share the ball a bit more"

But, like a previous poster said "Kobe ISNT going to win the ship, so Phil said JACK THAT UP" ..............hence 50pt games.

Sorry, but Im NOT impressed with this run. 30-40 shots a game will produce such numbers.

Also.......can someone tell me that TIM DUNCAN or GINOBILLI cant do the same with 30-40 shots a game.

**dallasmavsnfuego214** · 03-24-2007

Originally Posted by DarrinS

They may be winning games, but I don't think its benefitting the team in the long run when they're all standing around watching Kobe make ESPN highlight reels.

it may not benefit the other players but it benefits the team as a whole because they are winning. cant argue with that. according to your logic its all about the team.

**DarrinS** · 03-24-2007

I'd like to see hit 50 in games vs.

Dallas
San Antonio
Houston
Detroit

Now THAT would be impressive!

EDIT> I would have included Phoenix, but they don't seem to be concerned about other teams scoring on them.

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