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Package Elson and Vaughn for ....
whoever?
With how well Fabricio Oberto has played, Horry saying he wants another year.
Does that change your mind on wanting Mahinmi, Scola, to be brought over?
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Package Elson and Vaughn for ....
whoever?
Id say Beno and Elson before Vaughn.
But id go for those two for a second round pick.
Move Oberto and Horry down the bench, make Butler the starter next year.
Or, Oberto the starter, Butler the main guy off the bench, and Horry your towel waving veteran.
throw beno in there too.
I think it's still important for this team to start incorporating some youth into its rotation. Likewise, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that the Spurs never did have to deal with Nowitzki in these playoffs. If the Spurs are to repeat a long playoff run in 2007-08, they need youth, they need some additional length on the wings, and they need to find guys who can consistently rebound the basketball.
Excellent point by FWD.
We need a f'n SF. Period.
I was never that big on replacing the three C's we have...Oberto, or Elson, or Butler.
They are all bargains...you don't trade bargains for the unknown in the NBA.
We need to get a SF.
I personally do want Mahinimi brought over....because either Pau is not training him, or they are putting it off.
I don't think they are going to put a lot of effort into developing a player that is only going to be there until he gets good...
I think we need to bring him over, this summer.
I don't know about Scola...I've never been a fan, but I have to admit the idea of Team Argentina coming off the bench sounds really nice...especially after watching the way Manu and Oberto have meshed so well lately.
I am not in favor of dumping both Barry and Finley in the offseason...
Remember what it was like when we didn't have shooters? I don't want to repeat that era of Spurs history voluntarily.
So..
I think we should bring over Mahinmi and try to aquire Noccioni or anotherr SF from one of the teams that has a surplus of them, like GS or Chicago.
I am thinking we might be able to work something with GS...I have a feeling Nelly would rather see Pop win les than Cuban.
Anyway...Mahinimi and Noccioni...I'd like that.
Keeping Elson, Butler, Horry, Barry, Finley and Oberto...possibly Vaughn or Beno.
Beno, Barry, Vaughn and any of the big men other than Duncan, Horry and probably now Oberto could be replaced with varying degrees of ease, so there could be alot of room on the roster.
I'm guessing they'll shop Elson, Beno and (gasp) Barry this summer to try to bring in some other players. If Horry is actually staying, he's going to be very limited during the regular season. They may choose to start Oberto and have Butler as the main backup at C, but they'll still need an athletic, rebounding 4 to play behind Tim.
Vaughn has been okay this year, but more his leadership role than his on the court play. So they need another PG and need to get rid of Beno. Someone might take him because he's young.
Youth at the wings is very important. Bruce/Manu/Finley/Barry is a scary combination, age-wise. They'll need access if James White is going to be an actual NBA player or just a 15th man.
Overall I'd like 3 things.
1. Young swingman (2/3)
2. Athletic PF/Tall SF who can rebound
3. Backup pointguard
One can be a draftee, one via trade, and one via free agency. I guess if they can get at least two of the three, they should be in decent shape.
Geat question. Horry can stay around. If he does, it may re Bonner's development. Even at his advanced age, Horry is still a better, more trusted defender than Bonner. Fab has probably bought himself another year. I'm not sure what to make of Elson. Though, he still seems to be confused on the defensive side. I want to see either Ely or Butler work out.
On the international side, Mahinmi may need another year of seasoning. Screw Scola. Use him, Beno and Barry as possible trade bait if you have to. I'd love to see the Spurs pursue and successfully land either Gerald Wallace or Mikael Pietrus. Andres Nocioni is another possible long shot.
At some point, the Spurs have to gradually begin to integrate another layer into their core rotation. This will be vital in order to keep up with the ever-improving conference. Nothing drastic, but the infusion of 1-2 younger, cheaper players and a possible FA is definitely in order.
Yeah...but what's also scary is not having any shooters
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I didn't say they should trade both Finley and Barry. I think only one of them will be gone.
Ian can take Ely's roster spot.
We're only going to get a tall SF through trade or free agency.
There are decent PGs avaiable at our spot in the draft, but a vet will still be necessary for third string like this season.
I agree with you on the age thing...don't get me wrong...I'm just not sure this offseason is the time to make that decision...we don't know that White is going to be the next Jax yet.
It's a damned if you do damned if you don't thing....
We need to develop some young talent, but that is often a conflict of interest for a team that contends every single year for a championship.
And 2 guard/swing is our oldest position...but it's also our deepest and most versatile...if White is paying attention, he's seeing every thing he'll ever need to know about playing the 2 guard position, due to the combined talents of Manu, Finley, Barry and Bruce...
That's one of a 2 guard there.
When Jack broke through...we didn't really have any alternatives...Smitty was done and Pop had no choice really...Pop's got choices now so I'm not really expecting James White to duplicate what Jack did.
To me, it's too soon to answer at that question.
I will wait to see if Spurs win the championship this year and who plays well.
I honestly don't get what you are saying.Your post says we need a SF. But then you are telling me that we shouldn't get rid of any of Manu/Finley/Barry/Bruce. So you want a five man rotation at the wings?
Who's the SF? Suggestions?
As for backup PG...
I am still on the fence about Vaughn...the man is hitting his open shots, and he's hitting them in pivotal moments of the game, he hustles...
I don't really see anyone better out there that could be easily had...
Great summary, Kori. Wonderful wish list.
Quick couple of questions. With regards to James White, what do you mean by "they'll need access "?
Also what is your assessment of White, considering the short time he was actually on the court? Do you think he's shown enough to have earned another look next year?
I'd like to keep Tony, Finley, Manu, Bowen, Duncan, and Oberto only. I think everyone else is expendable. I know Butler is a project, but I am not interested in him and I don't believe the Spurs are either...of course they aren't going to publically dog Butler b/c they may have some trade value, but the guy is a fat pig who will never be in shape.
I honestly don't get what you are saying.
It's a catch22...
And I think it's something the Spurs are thinking about.
I agree...it sucks having all that age in that one area of the team, and we do need to pump some youth in...
At the same time...they are old, but they are still one of a 2 guard collectively, and they do play a role in our championship hopes.
It's not an easy decision to make IMO...and that's why I'm not so sure we should make it this offseason...I am talking about letting one of the old guys go for White...
I think we should definitely take a look at White first.
As for SF...to me that's a different need..I mean we need a legit SF there, none of which MaFinBarBru are.
If you are talking about moving one of them(Barry most likely) for Noccioni or something...the Spurs won't think twice about that...it'll be done.
I meant they'll need to assess if he's going to be able to make it in the league. I'm guessing they'll figure out a lot about that this summer. The Spurs are playing in the summer league in Vegas, which is now NBA sanctioned and has 20 teams playing. So I'm guessing after that, they'll know if he's worth keeping around. As far as I know, at this point, his contract is not guaranteed for next season.
I haven't seen enough of him to know. I know he has worked hard, but his on the court time wasn't enough to judge.
Barry's a great guy, but I think I could go on living <sniff> <sniff> without him.
Outside of the usual suspect Jumaine Jones, all the free agents are NBA or D-League projects -- which isn't necessarily a bad thing.Who's the SF? Suggestions?
I don't know who's on the block at this point.
Just a cursory look at the mocks shows me no SF over 6'8" is available outside of the lottery, and this is before the official measurements. It's one of the reasons I'd consider taking a flyer on Sun Yue at #58.
I'm ok with Vaughn if we use our first rounder on a PG and trade Beno.As for backup PG...
I am still on the fence about Vaughn...the man is hitting his open shots, and he's hitting them in pivotal moments of the game, he hustles...
I don't really see anyone better out there that could be easily had...
How about we wait till season is over? If we don't win a championship, we are considered failures and major changes need to happen.
If we win a championship things are different.
everything depends on how season end.
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