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i dont see why you cant believe in evolution and think God is the driving force behind it.
If believing in Creationism means believing in Adam and Eve/Genesis word for word, some people need to pull their head out.
Like oil and water?
GallupPRINCETON, NJ -- The majority of Republicans in the United States do not believe the theory of evolution is true and do not believe that humans evolved over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. This suggests that when three Republican presidential candidates at a May debate stated they did not believe in evolution, they were generally in sync with the bulk of the rank-and-file Republicans whose nomination they are seeking to obtain.
Independents and Democrats are more likely than Republicans to believe in the theory of evolution. But even among non-Republicans there appears to be a significant minority who doubt that evolution adequately explains where humans came from.
The data from several recent Gallup studies suggest that Americans' religious behavior is highly correlated with beliefs about evolution. Those who attend church frequently are much less likely to believe in evolution than are those who seldom or never attend. That Republicans tend to be frequent churchgoers helps explain their doubts about evolution.
The data indicate some seeming confusion on the part of Americans on this issue. About a quarter of Americans say they believe both in evolution's explanation that humans evolved over millions of years and in the creationist explanation that humans were created as is about 10,000 years ago.
holy creationism....we are some dumb mother- s.
i dont see why you cant believe in evolution and think God is the driving force behind it.
If believing in Creationism means believing in Adam and Eve/Genesis word for word, some people need to pull their head out.
One more drive-by post dan?
Scientific methods cannot outright obtain the data for supernatural events that occured in our past. They were supernatural, i.e. outside of the measurable, cause & effect, naturalistic realm that defines our universe today. Some people have obviously bought into the notion that Science debunks, or disproves the existence of GOD. Though science is a tool, it doesn't extend into that realm. It can't generate that conclusion. They are like... what was that you said dan?... oh yes.... like oil and water.
The existence of LIFE however, is still very much a supernatural incidence - even though people fail to classify it as such. GOD is the author of all LIFE. Hence, the day that LIFE is created without biotic precursors, maybe... just maybe someone will have my attention.
Well then, I propose that we also teach our kids that we evolved from intelligent beings from other planets. I mean, this has just as much scientific bases are believing that we evolved from a supreme being.
148 of ALL polled believe the theory.
145 do not.
I would like to see a study attempting to correlate Bible literacy with beliefs about evolution.
It also has more scientific merit than man-caused global warming!
Seriously now, historical text, carvings, and paintings around the world support an alien visitor idea. Am I going to place good money on the concept? No! However, I will keep an open mind.
Evolution alone has too many "missing links." Not just in mankind. To believe in evolution alone would place a place a persons faith such that we know the fossil records are there, we just haven't found them yet. How many years has that been since we have known about the missing links, and haven't found them?
Based on the liberals view of not finding WMD, then evolution is a phony science too!
We haven't found WMD so it doesn't exist.
We haven't found the missing links so evolution is bogus.
Too many Christians were taught the creationism idea excluding evolution because of the improperly translated word of God. You can find hard-headed people in any group.
Evolution is real, and I believe in God. There is no hypocrisy in that view, but many think there is. Many of the faithful will exclude evolution for that reason.
Oh Boy, did he make a point, or not?
Where would someone start? I have seen it in the past, but I forget enough refernces to research it. My best guess would be to find the Sumerian historical text that describes their view on the creation. There are passages that have been translated and referenced with texts that indicate the "Gods" changed mankind to make us more useful. This was long ago that I was exposed to the references, so I don't really know where to start.
Some thoughts:
From wikipedia led Sumerian Mythology:
Consider this, follow the references, and do searches with the names of the gods with a phrase like "translated text".The Sumerians practiced a polytheistic religion, with anthropomorphic gods or goddesses representing forces or presences in the world, in much the same way as later Greek mythology. According to said mythology, the gods originally created humans as servants for themselves but freed them when they became too much to handle.
Many stories in Sumerian religion appear similar to stories in other Middle-Eastern religions. For example, the Biblical account of the creation of man as well as Noah's flood resemble the Sumerian tales very closely, though the Sumerian myths were written many centuries earlier than the Tanakh (Old Testament). Gods and Goddesses from Sumer have distinctly similar representations in the religions of the Akkadians, Caananites, and others. A number of stories and deities have Greek parallels as well; for example, it has been argued by some that Inanna's descent into the underworld strikingly recalls (and predates) the story of Persephone.
Also consider searching references from the word "Athrahasis." From ths link led Ancient Near East (Babylonia) Glossary and Texts
Anyway, the ancient texts found in cultures outside of the Bible have similar and far more complete stories on the creation, flood, etc.ATRAHASIS
The Old Babylonian "Myth of Atrahasis" is a motif showing a relationship with the account of the creation of man to relieve the gods of toil in the "Enki and Ninmah" myth, and with a Sumerian account of the Flood in the "Eridu Genesis." The Atrahasis myth, however, treats these themes with noticeable originality and remarkable depth. It relates, first, how the gods originally had to toil for a living, how they rebelled and went on strike, how Enki suggested that one of their number--the god We
The truth may lie closer to the major theme behind the TV series Stargate SG-1 where the Gods are aliens, and manipulated this planet.
I especially like it when they found Atlantis, Thor, Merlin, and other mythological references.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 06-11-2007 at 04:07 PM. Reason: added Stargate reference
It's all in how evolution is defined:
1) Is it a chaotic, randomly driven, process that acted on a pre-existing genetic strand [evolution doesn't define the origin of DNA/RNA] subsequently leading to the creation of all known species (viruses, bacteria, fungi, plants, animals, etc...) [speciation] as dictated by a separate process known as natural selection?
2) Or is it a purposeful, designed, diversification, guided adaptation process driven by GOD?
Since textbooks are constrained by the former, then no; I personally would not consider myself an evolutionary proponent... or endorse it. I believe in a guided adaptation process that produces different 'species' over time. This can occur as the transient result of repeated genetic crossings within an isolated gene pool, or as a sudden manifestation (activation) of genes already present somewhere within the genome of any given 'species'.
There are several genetic studies that point to both of these mechanisms as active genetic processes. Currently however, conclusions drawn from the data are presented in such a way as to suggest that they are simply nuances of the evolutionary model defined by 1).
Last edited by Phenomanul; 06-11-2007 at 04:30 PM.
That's not what I mean. I mean to ask whether the people who reject evolution so do because they really know their Bibles, or because they really don't.
I'd like to see a study on how many anti-republican threads are started by Dan as opposed to any type of thread started by any other poster on this site.
....or in believing that we evolved from a couple of atoms? What's more incredulous?
Who's claiming we evolved from a supreme being?
It's the same supreme being that brought down the towers on 9/11.
Too many people are willfully and stubornly ignorant because of perceived conflicts propagated by dishonest, politically motivated leaders.
We evolved from Cheney?
If that's the way Dan tells it, then it is what it is.
Alrighty then.
Sorry, my bad.
Too bad there can be no definitive answer. There are simply those who believe they know and don't question how inaccurate the English versions of the Bible really are. I have a feeling that most are simply too entrenched in the verbatim teaching of the incorrect translations. I think there are very few Christians who understand that the creation wasn't out of nothing.
Hey Wild Cobra: Ancient Aliens Part 1
Ancient Hebrew is difficult to translate. Some of the words remain obscure.
What really grabs me are the biased translations in the New Testament. This becomes especially apparent when reading the translated commentaries of the Greek-speaking patriarchs. Certain controversial teachings, like the role of women in the church, are cast in a different light when one sees who Greek-speakers in the 3rd century read the original Greek.
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